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The Prove Me Wrong Thread - FL Studio Pro Mid Bass w/out Hardware

I've always had a HUGE opinion of doubt for anyone who says you can make a pro mid/sub bass in FL Studio.

My reasoning for this is for the fact that I feel like I have taken ALL YOUR ADVICE and not acheived even an accidental growth in my sounds.

I'm trying to make this practical and I want people to stick with this thread.
This thread is NOT going to be about theory, or magical parameters.

This is going to be about ME submitting project files (I'll do one after another till people start responding) and people looking at EXACTLY what I'm doing on a DAW level, not mp3 or wav or midi.

Thats why I ask first, only FL users (I'm sorry I just don't know how to use anything else except reason and I want to keep this on a DAW level)


**Before I start** and this is important.
I'm going to pick 3 popular vsts that I hope most of you have if you're using FL. One of these 3 or all 3 will be used in my flps so please tell ME NOW or soon if you want me to use another vst.

I'm picking:
Styrus
Z3ta
Albino 3

Those are the 3 I usually wind up using the most anyway for bass (+ hypersonic) I find.

*************A few side notes***************

ANYONE and I mean ANYONE who has FL and one of those 3 synths can also participate, afterall this is called the "prove me wrong thread".
I don't believe a PRO sounding mid bass/sub bass can be achieved on FL.
I can't tell you why, I can just tell you I've never heard it before in my productions or other peoples. Sure the track in its entirety may sound great, but the mid bass always sounds too achievable, too amateur.

After you present your flp I'll then most likely tell you why it sounds amateur, I won't give any advice on how to make it sound better unless you're breaking known cardinal rules in trance.

All I want to see come out of this thread is **ONE** flp that stumps me. You can try using hardware and tricking us but that fact will reveal when you refuse to submit an flp.

best of luck to all.. you will need it =]

What's so different about FL? It can use the same VSTs as any other DAW, so it really looks like to me you're saying that a "'pro' mid bass" can't be made with VSTs at all...

I thought I use this thread to say that I'm out of this fuckin stupid forum.

Good luck with your music everyone.

Bi

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles What's so different about FL? It can use the same VSTs as any other DAW, so it really looks like to me you're saying that a "'pro' mid bass" can't be made with VSTs at all...

Well I can't speak on behalf of other DAWS cause I've never used them.

As far as whats so different from Fruity everyone says its the same as everything else, but everyone who also says that didn't make Fruity.

If Fruity did have some kinda "genetic" deformity from birth only the software engineers would know, they wouldn't tell us, so either way if Fruity was sonically fvcked in some way we'd never find out.

So to save time yes I'm saying the mid basses we aspire to, simply can not be made with vsts. Now the problem here is I'm saying "that we aspire to", and someone else can come in and say "I don't aspire for that sound".

But under general consensus, when I start linking examples, I'm sure most people would love to create that kind of mid bass, and MANY will also think that sound could be made with vsts.
But my guarantee is in this thread, the simple fact when not a single person posts anything remotely close to the reference songs I'll be getting up in a bit.
I gotta shoot over to Home Depot real quick but I'll start getting this thread in shape cause I know people may think this is gonna be one of those hardware vs software debates.

Its not.
The way this thread will work is if you say "software is just as capable as hardware" then you will be obligated to submit proof in your project file by making a bassline, simple enough I think.

If you can't do that, then anything you type imo is irrelevant. (not speaking to you specifically, anyone with that mentality pretty much)


edit: and just a note I've been saving some of the examples I'll be posting for years, people say things like "you can't tell what vst is being used" or "you can't distinguish a good vst from a good piece of hardware"
And my examples will prove those myths wrong.

Here's an Airbase tutorial with a track (including a mid-bass) made entirely from VSTs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bEskmkJbRY

Sounds pro to me...

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Here's an Airbase tutorial with a track (including a mid-bass) made entirely from VSTs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bEskmkJbRY Sounds pro to me...

jesus, i wonder if i'll ever get that good, if only those tutorials were in logic i'd go nuts

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Here's an Airbase tutorial with a track (including a mid-bass) made entirely from VSTs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bEskmkJbRY Sounds pro to me...

To add on to that Manvel Ter-Pogosyan/Amurai uses FL Studio and all VST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZKeB6t_5oQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OpWobsK4dk

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And Im not sure who of you were around when Static Blue used to post his tracks here. he used to be FLStudio and pure VSTi. not so sure he used FLstudio anymore but i know he still uses VST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fVd...feature=related

pretty sure this was one of his FL tracks.

And you cant forget Icone, uses FLStudio and pure VSTi he's not the most popular producer in the world but he makes clean ass productions and has had many tracks signed to label.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqGNP-hMxPE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dgdxwgg3LE

Also there's Maor Levi pure FL + VSTi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulhKe0aDSVY

And also theres this made by a fellow producer of this forum and me back in 2006. Full version was also played by aly & fila.

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Also A.M.R. uses FLstudio and pure VSTi. I know him personally for about 5 years we used to collab together and remix each other's tracks all the time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57a-B5LarZo

EDIT: he worked on this song for over 3 years. no joke. I used to have the FLP from when he started it back in like 2004 or 2005. Just got a release i believe at the end of last year.

Robby, how many hardware synths have you actually used? And for how long? You make big generalizations, but do you have the experience to back them up?

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox If Fruity did have some kinda "genetic" deformity from birth only the software engineers would know, they wouldn't tell us, so either way if Fruity was sonically fvcked in some way we'd never find out.

If there's something "sonically wrong" with FLS' sound engine, an easy way to find out would be to recreate the exact same track in other DAWs and compare:

1) create a bass sound in one the VSTs mentioned above

2) create a simple MIDI track

3) export the audio using no other effects, processing, etc. and route the bass VST output directly to the master buss.

4) save the .fxp for the bass patch and export the MIDI

5) open the same synth/preset and MIDI file in another DAW(s) and repeat #3

6) compare the exported audio.

I have Sonar, Cubase, and Live - if you want to get the files together, I'll try it in these DAWs. Might be interesting to hear the results. I've got FLS8 as well, so you could send me the .flp and we can check to see if there are differences between versions, computers, etc. (of course, I wouldn't expect there to be differences, but it would only take a few minutes to check it anyway).

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Robby, how many hardware synths have you actually used? And for how long? You make big generalizations, but do you have the experience to back them up?

^THIS

Re: The Prove Me Wrong Thread - FL Studio Pro Mid Bass w/out Hardware

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox After you present your flp I'll then most likely tell you why it sounds amateur, I won't give any advice on how to make it sound better unless you're breaking known cardinal rules in trance.

LOL you'll tell us how it sounds amateur, therefore its all subjective, its what u think of it, even if the files posted DO sound pro you may not like it........

Re: The Prove Me Wrong Thread - FL Studio Pro Mid Bass w/out Hardware

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox My reasoning for this is for the fact that I feel like I have taken ALL YOUR ADVICE and not acheived even an accidental growth in my sounds.

Same idea.

I think the OP is trying to compare/emulate a specific pro bass,and this is near impossible,i mean a little more or less detuning or adding harmonic to the waveforms will give the sound its own timber,try a 1% more modulation with sytrus and notice the difference it makes.
Cheers!

I'm willing to bet user skill has more to do with good bass not being able to be made in VSTi...then the VSti themselves.

Mango uses FL and VST's. Doesn't even have a MIDI controller.

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Originally posted by spolitta I thought I use this thread to say that I'm out of this fuckin stupid forum. Good luck with your music everyone. Bi

You have the right idea.

Re: The Prove Me Wrong Thread - FL Studio Pro Mid Bass w/out Hardware

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox My reasoning for this is for the fact that I feel like I have taken ALL YOUR ADVICE and not acheived even an accidental growth in my sounds.

Maybe you are:

1) Completely incompetent
2) Don't actually put in effort
3) Some people just aren't meant to be artistically creative... look into it.
4) Moar analog?

Listen i don't want to put you down or anything, but seriously all your threads are the same, you want people to do something for you and then send it to you. Personally the advice on this forum (search button does wonders) has transformed me from someone who couldn't even put a beat together to a level in which i feel comfortable releasing tracks and on occasion even get a playlisting in a club.

Maybe you picked the wrong hobby.

I don't quite understand this. The VSTs aren't going to magically change depending on what DAW you're using. It's most certainly possible to create (good) mid basses in FL Studio.

First let me say I understand and expect any negative feedback I get.

People will always be people, some happy and supportive, some miserable and insulting. No matter what the situation, thats the choice they make and if you're gonna come out in this thread condescending and like your shit doesn't smell, that just shows me how insecure you are in real life.

With that aside.
First let me say this is NOT a lack of effort.
I think I'm prob harder on myself then 90% of the people on this forum, and because of that I'm always trying to better things I'm not happy with.
Yes I DO complain, but it serves a pretty BIG purpose.

And I see why you guys don't understand that purpose cause I have made comments like "my skills aren't getting better" or w/e.

But the fact is threads like this, LOOK at the wealth of information that got spewed in this thread BECAUSE I bitched like a girl.

I know I can make arrogant comments sometimes but if you guys didn't help me A LOT I wouldn't be making threads like this in the first place.
I'm gonna take a few minutes now to actually go through all the links and anything else that needs to get addressed.
I watched the airbase tutorial and I hate to say that sounds amateur as shit imo. The mixing is great, the equalizing, layering and sidechaining is great, airbase obviously has skills, BUT the SOUND of the bassline itself, sounds very compensated for by other elements in the track.

But yeh it works when you cover it up with acidlines and synths.

Anyway let me read more in this thread and more importantly get my FLPs up.
If someone can tell me ANYTHING, this thread was already worth it imo.
Well no that sounds selfish, this thread is already worth it because theres a lot of good info and links in it, this is not about just me if thats how I'm coming off.
Its about people helping each other which is what it should always be about.

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