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Livesets being sold on e-Bay, WRONG OR RIGHT???

I just decided to stop over at www.ebay.com in search of DJ Tiesto's Magik series at a good price, HOWEVER, most of the material I saw was LIVE MIXES by him, including 2002-02-02 - Live at Dutch Dimension! I was shocked! I NEVER thought that people actually SELL these on the 'Net!

Now, as a test I decided to punch in Paul van Dyk and Ferry Corsten in the search field and up came the same: Livesets. My question is: What's your opinion on it? Do you think it's OK to sell this kind of material on the 'Net (they sell EVERYTHING else on there so, this isn't obscure)? Why or why not? Please give examples to show your point of view. Also, it took me less than 2 minutes to find all of this...

if it is legal then i think i may have to start :P

dont let tiesto14 find out about this. . .he is the biggest liveset whore i have ever seen

are they only buying the rare livesets? or are they buying everything and anything i wonder

if people want to buy them, i dont really think its wrong. Just stupid. . .

supply and demand rules all

Personally I think it is wrong. Making money off things that are freely available just rubs me the wrong way.

However, having said that for people who aren't aware of the live sets being made available or who can't find a liveset then it could be seen as being useful.

I still disagree with the whole thing though.

I don't see anything wrong with it, if people are willing to pay for the convenience of doing this then what's the problem? It's no different to Audiogalaxy putting ads on their site and spyware with their software. If you're OK with downloading mp3's then slagging this off is just hypocrytical.

its legal to sell them but ur a bit stupid if u buy them.

so they can do that all they want, fools!

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Originally posted by Matrix dont let tiesto14 find out about this. . .he is the biggest liveset whore i have ever seen are they only buying the rare livesets? or are they buying everything and anything i wonder if people want to buy them, i dont really think its wrong. Just stupid. . . supply and demand rules all

No, actually Tiesto14 is a SINGLES whore... He told me himself and sent me a music list... Even though he DOES have more LS than me. I probably bought more albums in the year 2000 than he bought in the last 5 years! Anyway, I love livesets more than singles because the music sounds much better (more energy, sometimes played at a better pitch, crowd cheering, etc...). I would start doing this, if I had gold CDs (I don't like selling just ANYTHING, if I'm going to sell something, it's going to be a GOLD CD, with DURABLE jewel case, complete tracklisting, and finally the CD's going to have SEPERATE tracks, each track mark placed with FRAME (1/75th of a second) accuracy!

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Originally posted by Matrix dont let tiesto14 find out about this. . .he is the biggest liveset whore i have ever seen are they only buying the rare livesets? or are they buying everything and anything i wonder if people want to buy them, i dont really think its wrong. Just stupid. . . supply and demand rules all

They're buying everything. If it's up there, people are buying it! I saw Dutch Dimension for USD $12.00 yesterday so, it shows that people are willing to put top dollar on it! They probably don't know that you can get this all of the Internet for free.

Well is i could be arsed i could prob make a fair few quid out of this, but i cant, so i wont.

It just seems a little stupid to me

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Originally posted by ali92 They're buying everything. If it's up there, people are buying it! I saw Dutch Dimension for USD $12.00 yesterday so, it shows that people are willing to put top dollar on it! They probably don't know that you can get this all of the Internet for free.

With all due respect, even my mum knows you can get music on the internet for free, and she can't even turn the computer on.

The thing is, not everybody has access to this type of thing. People might only be 56k, or might only be able to access the net from school or work. Or they might actually want them on CD rather than mp3 and have no CD burner. Who knows? The fact is, they're willing to pay somebody to put it on CD for them, so what's the problem? Everybody's happy.

Except the record labels. Which IMO should make everybody even happier.

well.. i don't think it's fair that anyone should make money of someone elses work.

Its illegal to sell them.
technically known as bootlegs, its something that's always happened, i remember going to local markets and traders there having dodgy music cassettes with live sets on them, usually very badly recorded too.

Ebay will usually end the auction of stuff like that if they are notified of them.

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Originally posted by Matrix dont let tiesto14 find out about this. . .he is the biggest liveset whore i have ever seen

******Counting my money********

off to E-Bay......

i will pay...hope they have some good stuff

It's not legal......

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Originally posted by tiesto14 ******Counting my money******** off to E-Bay...... i will pay...hope they have some good stuff

I can't believe that you would BUY livesets on e-Bay when u can get them for free on the 'Net!!! I'm saving my money for Final Fantasy games, DJ Tiesto - Magik CDs, 80 GB HDDs, etc. I'm a hardcore fanatic of FF!!!

It's lame.

I've banned users from the site for basically downloading stuff from here and then going there and selling it.. what the fuck is that.. I don't pay for servers to have people turn around and make a profit on it.

Idiots.

I once actually bought live-sets off of EBay. It was because I had a 56k and getting livesets off of napster at the time w/ a 56k was very hard. I bought 5 sets, 4 out of the 5 turned out to be rare PvD sets (I know they are PvD sets and I've never see anyone else who has them except those that I have shared with).

This was still wrong though. IMO people should not be doing this.

just curious how many livesets do u guys have?

i have about 15 gigs, 200 sets aprox....


although thats nothign compared to one of my friends who has 700+ and another who has 500+

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Originally posted by Swamper It's lame. I've banned users from the site for basically downloading stuff from here and then going there and selling it.. what the fuck is that.. I don't pay for servers to have people turn around and make a profit on it. Idiots.

They must've been pretty stupid users, since they had to use their TA UN for you to find this out... If anyone was smart enough to sell livesets on e-Bay, they would use an e-mail address and username that's COMPLETELY different from the one all of their friends/buddies/TAs know them by...

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Originally posted by Flec just curious how many livesets do u guys have? i have about 15 gigs, 200 sets aprox.... although thats nothign compared to one of my friends who has 700+ and another who has 500+

About 8 - 10 GB, the other 5 GB is singles and MP3s encoded from my own CDs...

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Originally posted by ali92 They must've been pretty stupid users, since they had to use their TA UN for you to find this out... If anyone was smart enough to sell livesets on e-Bay, they would use an e-mail address and username that's COMPLETELY different from the one all of their friends/buddies/TAs know them by...

Nothing to do with their names or emails... more like sending off 1 email and cross-referencing IPs of logged downloads.

Even if it isn't right, i think its fair for those 56kers, who dont really get to hear live sets, fak, if i had a 56 k, i'd buy 'em too.

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Originally posted by Swamper Nothing to do with their names or emails... more like sending off 1 email and cross-referencing IPs of logged downloads.

What if they do everything from a public library PC? Like responding to the e-mails, etc... EDIT: ADDITON 2: OR, what if these sellers are 56 K users and their IPs change every time they get on the 'Net?

EDIT: ADDITION 1: Do you do the same to TA users who sell stuff that NEVER was on your site?

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Originally posted by BTG Even if it isn't right, i think its fair for those 56kers, who dont really get to hear live sets, fak, if i had a 56 k, i'd buy 'em too.

The bottom line is: I think that if you want to buy them rather than DL them, THAT'S YOUR CHOICE. Remember: YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.

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Originally posted by ali92 Remember: YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.

that is why YOU should realize it's wrong and not sell them.

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