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The State of Trance.......

I put this in the NYTA forum, and figured I would see if people had opinions here:




I have heard this conversation EVERYWHERE as of late:




What do you think of trance nowadays?




Seems like everyone has their criticisms lately. To be honest, I am just absolutely bored out of my mind with (most) of the stuff being put out recently. To the point that going to the club USED to be about the music...... and now I have such little expectations, that I am fully aware that I am mainly going out to see my friends. (and even then, I rarely go out to the club anymore because I have found a hundred other things far more entertaining.....)


While there are still some great producers out there, I truly feel as if the difference in productions 5-10 years ago far outshine today's stuff.


I spoke with a DJ (who shall remain nameless) who made his opinion clear: "too many people are trying to push out as many SH*T tracks as possible just to get their name out there. And no one is actually taking the time to put together anything of quality." Does anyone agree with this?



I know this discussion has been brought up before, but this is the first time in my "EDM" career that I really feel strongly that trance is on a serious downturn. (also im really bored at work and need something to read!! LOL)



*****This is not an argument, just a discussion. NO ONE is going to change anyone's mind on what they like or do not like; so if we could cut the bullshit and have an intelligent discussion on this, I am sure people would be much more appreciative. *****

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"too many people are trying to push out as many SH*T tracks as possible just to get their name out there. And no one is actually taking the time to put together anything of quality." Does anyone agree with this?

It's been said plenty of times before, and I've been agreeing with it for this past year.

Welcome to the digital age and the growing popularity of trance.

Almost anyone can produce a track now and put it on a website to be downloaded. Producers make far more tracks now then they use to. At one time producers actually spent a long time putting together a track that meant something to them. Now they can throw together a ton of tracks in the same amount of time and put them out there for the masses to download in hopes that one becomes a major hit. Once they get a hit track then they just produce a bunch of tracks that sound the same while the oven is still hot.

Another factor is how long you have been going to clubs...at some point it all just sounds the same and you need to take a break. I know I've taken at least two breaks form going out that lasted years....when I went back out things sounded fresher and new again.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Another factor is how long you have been going to clubs...at some point it all just sounds the same and you need to take a break. I know I've taken at least two breaks form going out that lasted years....when I went back out things sounded fresher and new again.

hmm I have been bored with most of clubbing since crobar and roxy died (and I left Toronto). In terms of *TRANCE* nights I prefer bigger clubs with the lasers, dancers, big scene, big vibe, etc, etc.....Sooo since I dont have access to the Guv as much and the big club scene here in NYC sucks (pacha...blah!!), I jast havent had the same vibe.


But you are right about the music, too, the combo of the scene and repetitive tracks is just soooo boring me lately!!

Technology has gotten too easy and too innexpensive, so that anyone can be a producer or DJ. C'est la vie.

I think there are still a lot of good productions coming out...
it's just that now the amount is wayyy higher making it hard for everyone to keep up with what's good and what isn't.
Also EVERY song nowadays gets remixed!
Markus for example produces a song and then he comes out and makes a COLDHARBOUR mix of it...

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Originally posted by TRANCEEEE I think there are still a lot of good productions coming out... it's just that now the amount is wayyy higher making it hard for everyone to keep up with what's good and what isn't. Also EVERY song nowadays gets remixed!

true f*cking story. Wayy to many remix/edit/mashup/mix/etc of songs bc people cant come up with their own damn songs!!


also agreed on too many tracks. Someone in NYTA said "you have to sort thru 50 tracks to find one decent one." Which to me, defeats the purpose, because i refuse to waste 2 boring hours in hopes if getting 5 minutes of ear-bliss.

I'm with you Kelly. Also the trend is to combine techno elements into trance which don't blend well together imo, like Menno or Sander V Doorn (for the most part, just all bang and no buck, no flow whatsover for my taste). Gareth Emery is a lot better though from what I've seen. Or to come up with complete fluff we've seen time and again that end up being super boring and unoriginal. Some tracks can be outstanding but most are crap. I haven't had a great time at a trance party in years...

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby true f*cking story. Wayy to many remix/edit/mashup/mix/etc of songs bc people cant come up with their own damn songs!! also agreed on too many tracks. Someone in NYTA said "you have to sort thru 50 tracks to find one decent one." Which to me, defeats the purpose, because i refuse to waste 2 boring hours in hopes if getting 5 minutes of ear-bliss.

That is the difference with the digital age... 10 years ago there were various filters before anything ever got pressed to vinyl (or CD). Not only the artist, but various label folks and managers all had to agree it was worth putting out. They were not always right but at least they could remove most of the complete junk.

While this may have stifled talent a bit it made everyone's lives easier, including the DJ who could grab a stack and know he or she (and ususally he) would find at least a few good tracks to play that weekend.

Its obviously been a positive thing to allow more access to more artists and therefore improve variety but it certainly has watered down the talent pool... kinda like adding extra teams to the NHL.

OS

I love trance, now & back then.

People start to change their perspective on trance because they seem to always be looking for the same thing. They want to hear only 1 style of trance, or nothing. It's more about broadening your musical tastes to other genres & sub-genres to really appreciate trance the same. Too many people stick to a certain genre/sub-genre and eventually of course you will think there's a lot of SHIT out there. This is true, that there really is A LOT of shit out there, but because of the digital age now, we can actually see it, when before we didn't have a choice, the DJ's didn't have a choice, dj's played the best and only the best, therefore you only heard the best. Everyone played on vinyl, and good luck getting shitty tracks or 10 remixes of a track on a vinyl!

But honestly, because I have a monthly show, all I need is 10-15 kick ass songs in a month, and it makes me perfectlty content with how trance is today. I think people want more good stuff too quickly, people get bored of 1 or 2 or 3 tracks after listening to them 3-4 times and feel they want something new in a matter of days. I bet if you looked through your music catalogue of everything you liked 6 months ago, you'd think there's a shit load of good stuff around, you just never took the time to really appreciate it

EDM Career?

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby Which to me, defeats the purpose, because i refuse to waste 2 boring hours in hopes if getting 5 minutes of ear-bliss.

that as compared to how back in the day a dj would spend 3-4 hours in a record store and end up walking away with maybe 2 records at most?

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Originally posted by Mortyman I love trance, now & back then. People start to change their perspective on trance because they seem to always be looking for the same thing. They want to hear only 1 style of trance, or nothing. It's more about broadening your musical tastes to other genres & sub-genres to really appreciate trance the same. Too many people stick to a certain genre/sub-genre and eventually of course you will think there's a lot of SHIT out there. This is true, that there really is A LOT of shit out there, but because of the digital age now, we can actually see it, when before we didn't have a choice, the DJ's didn't have a choice, dj's played the best and only the best, therefore you only heard the best. Everyone played on vinyl, and good luck getting shitty tracks or 10 remixes of a track on a vinyl! But honestly, because I have a monthly show, all I need is 10-15 kick ass songs in a month, and it makes me perfectlty content with how trance is today. I think people want more good stuff too quickly, people get bored of 1 or 2 or 3 tracks after listening to them 3-4 times and feel they want something new in a matter of days. I bet if you looked through your music catalogue of everything you liked 6 months ago, you'd think there's a shit load of good stuff around, you just never took the time to really appreciate it

i have to dissagree with most of everything you just wrote. My problem is that, to me, everything DOES sound the same. Very repetitive sets/tracks over and over and overrrrrr......I am actually looking for something new, fresh and slightly diverse (without actually straying from being a trance toon).

And in terms of listening to other things....i do!! I lovee techno, tribal, and even listen to the occasional house music (SHM!!) I listen to rock, classic rock, even some old school hip hop and r&b!


btw I think trance 6 months ago sounds the exact same as today, which is half my problem with it. I feel like my nights out are like pushing rewind on a cassette tape and pushing play......very reptitive in nature

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Originally posted by LKD EDM Career?

my version of saying "since I began listening to EDM....."

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Originally posted by Endlesswave I'm with you Kelly. Or to come up with complete fluff we've seen time and again that end up being super boring and unoriginal. Some tracks can be outstanding but most are crap. I haven't had a great time at a trance party in years...

seems we are in the majority if you were to take this talk up with the people in NYC....seems everytime I go out I hear the same complaints^^.....I used to get such butterflies for trance parties, now, except for some occasional events, I would rather go to the beach, go to an outdoor cafe, grab drinks at a downtown lounge, save my money for vaca's, etc.....

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby i have to dissagree with most of everything you just wrote. My problem is that, to me, everything DOES sound the same. Very repetitive sets/tracks over and over and overrrrrr......I am actually looking for something new, fresh and slightly diverse (without actually straying from being a trance toon). And in terms of listening to other things....i do!! I lovee techno, tribal, and even listen to the occasional house music (SHM!!) I listen to rock, classic rock, even some old school hip hop and r&b! btw I think trance 6 months ago sounds the exact same as today, which is half my problem with it. I feel like my nights out are like pushing rewind on a cassette tape and pushing play......very reptitive in nature

That's what happens when technology starts doing jobs for us.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Also the trend is to combine techno elements into trance which don't blend well together imo, like Menno or Sander V Doorn (for the most part, just all bang and no buck, no flow whatsover for my taste).

blasphemy!!!!


Love it to pieces and always will. Trance productions were definitely in general much better years ago, but that doesn't mean there aren't some gems being released now. But, I stll wonder what it would have been like if I had been partying in the scene years ago when trance was really big. I honestly cannot even imagine what I would do with myself......

Quality is dead, and not just in music.

Look around you. What do you see that hasn't pissed you off at least once in the last week?

This topic is done with every style of music because listeners of every style of music are bored because they only listen to 1 kind of music

Trance Music is good As long as I find the elements of Trance Music I Like I keep listening to it

I will agree that trance music is different now compared to a few years back wheather thats good or bad is up to you

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby i have to dissagree with most of everything you just wrote. My problem is that, to me, everything DOES sound the same. Very repetitive sets/tracks over and over and overrrrrr......I am actually looking for something new, fresh and slightly diverse (without actually straying from being a trance toon). And in terms of listening to other things....i do!! I lovee techno, tribal, and even listen to the occasional house music (SHM!!) I listen to rock, classic rock, even some old school hip hop and r&b! btw I think trance 6 months ago sounds the exact same as today, which is half my problem with it. I feel like my nights out are like pushing rewind on a cassette tape and pushing play......very reptitive in nature

Don't take it personally, I wasn't talking about you. But people in general.

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Originally posted by ***** This topic is done with every style of music because listeners of every style of music are bored because they only listen to 1 kind of music

you clearly took no time to read what I wrote.



digi you may have a point.


veronica: jesus, girl you woulda bugged the f*ck out back then. haha!! I remember the days of getting butterflies for every night out, everytime I heard a wikked new track, etc.....I just truly felt an emotional connection to what was played back then (I would say, pre-2004). Now I can find 100 things I would rather be doing (this is the trend I have found myself in for the last 6mo-1year). just repetitive, bland sets not that I dont have fun, but I credit my friends for 75% of the positivity of the nights.

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Originally posted by Mortyman Don't take it personally, I wasn't talking about you. But people in general.

im not, babe!!

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby my version of saying "since I began listening to EDM....." seems we are in the majority if you were to take this talk up with the people in NYC....seems everytime I go out I hear the same complaints^^.....I used to get such butterflies for trance parties, now, except for some occasional events, I would rather go to the beach, go to an outdoor cafe, grab drinks at a downtown lounge, save my money for vaca's, etc.....

So true. My last Guv party for at least a year was Canada Day, it was awesome seeing you btw but I got sick of that place...outgrowing it.


Veronica, it was NUTS, just NUTS. I'd know every track in a set, EVERY one. When I didn't know we all flipped out trying to find out which remix, what white label, where I could buy/dl it. Ask Graham...(Yes he was into Trance back then too I think).

Re: The State of Trance.......

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby you clearly took no time to read what I wrote.

I did actually I was just offering advice to keep the msuic fresh

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby While there are still some great producers out there, I truly feel as if the difference in productions 5-10 years ago far outshine today's stuff

because you asscoiate things in your life with that music
Trance was probobly a soundtrack to your life at 1 point

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby I spoke with a DJ (who shall remain nameless) who made his opinion clear: "too many people are trying to push out as many SH*T tracks as possible just to get their name out there. And no one is actually taking the time to put together anything of quality." Does anyone agree with this?

Yes there is alot of music to pick from I think quality is out there but with so many songs it seems lower now, before there just wasnt as many people doing trance music so the quality seemed higher

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby I know this discussion has been brought up before, but this is the first time in my "EDM" career that I really feel strongly that trance is on a serious downturn.

When you get bored of something you need to breath new life into it.

Trance as you know it is changing just like you do as a person sometimes for the better sometimes for worse but you should stick by it

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Originally posted by Mortyman I think people want more good stuff too quickly, people get bored of 1 or 2 or 3 tracks after listening to them 3-4 times and feel they want something new in a matter of days.

For me if it is a song I love or can't get enough of then I am not bored of it after 3-4 listens.

To me that does not make a good song.

I think this pretty much sums it up:

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