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Benefit Of Key Changing Tracks??
Ive heard of dj's setting all there musci files to the same key!
whats the theory behind it or the benefit of doing this??
Don't believe it. Why on earth would anyone want all their tracks in the same key?
The only way to benefit from key changing a track is by only changing it up or down by one or mabey two semi-tones (depending on the track) to get two tracks harmonically compatible, that may not be normally.
This doesn't work very well with vocals however.
I think i did hear about this somewhere but its pretty stupid to me. A more common thing that i did hear about though is changing the BPM's of all your songs to match. Personally i think this is lame too. I don't really see a benefit of it.
heard tiesto does it and alot of top jocs, is it not a feature of the djm800, does it not have a colour thing that brings tracks into same key so harmonics match for a smoother mix??
Re: Benefit Of Key Changing Tracks??
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| Originally posted by jey whats the theory behind it or the benefit of doing this?? |
a set recorded to cd for car or home use should be cleaner than a live set as listinen to a live set at home lets u hear all the inperfections!
I think you are confusing that with Key Lock. On some mixer and even turntables/cd players there is a key lock function that keeps the key of the track the same if you change pitch. That way the track doesn't sound like it was sang by the chipmunks if you speed it up too fast. It also helps to avoid key clashes with the track that is playing.
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| Originally posted by jey is it not a feature of the djm800 |
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| Originally posted by jey a set recorded to cd for car or home use should be cleaner than a live set as listinen to a live set at home lets u hear all the inperfections! |
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| Originally posted by jey a set recorded to cd for car or home use should be cleaner than a live set as listinen to a live set at home lets u hear all the inperfections! |
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| Originally posted by lenazi you can play a perfect set without everything being in the same key and bpm if you don't suck. it's called practice, try it sometime. |
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| Originally posted by jey who said i need parctice gayboy! seen a tool that adjusts key an red tiesto uses it an wondered if it was good, if none of yous have used it then how yous have a clue! i never yet heard a set thats studio recorded sound as perfect as a live set, balls if u say thats wrong or ur ears just f....d! |
The UK : "They are called the English yet can never seem to speak it."
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| Originally posted by lenazi The UK : "They are called the English yet can never seem to speak it." |
it is not my native language, what is his excuse?
at least you understood me.
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| Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Seriously, try some proper sentence structures and people might actually understand you. |
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| Originally posted by jey what part do you not understand big balls?? |
The DJM-800 has a harmonic color that lets u change the key of a track or what not. However this is not without some quality loss.
Also the CDJ-1000s have a master tempo feature which keeps the songs in the same key regardless of BPM change but you also sacrifice quality once you raise the BPM by to much.
Honestly, i just stick with the master tempo off and the harmonic feature on the 800 off as well. I try to have a bigger selection of tracks instead, so i can just adjust accordingly.
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| Originally posted by DJ_Rafnel The DJM-800 has a harmonic color that lets u change the key of a track or what not. However this is not without some quality loss. Also the CDJ-1000s have a master tempo feature which keeps the songs in the same key regardless of BPM change but you also sacrifice quality once you raise the BPM by to much. Honestly, i just stick with the master tempo off and the harmonic feature on the 800 off as well. I try to have a bigger selection of tracks instead, so i can just adjust accordingly. |
harmonic mixing FTW
try http://www.harmonic-mixing.com/
and [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
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| Originally posted by Teezdalien Don't believe it. Why on earth would anyone want all their tracks in the same key? The only way to benefit from key changing a track is by only changing it up or down by one or mabey two semi-tones (depending on the track) to get two tracks harmonically compatible, that may not be normally. This doesn't work very well with vocals however. |
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| Originally posted by jey a set recorded to cd for car or home use should be cleaner than a live set as listinen to a live set at home lets u hear all the inperfections! |
In order to change the key just one semitone you would have to pitch it up or down 5.8 %(or something like that), and that's just one key. To change the key of one track to it's own relative minor for example, you have to change the key 3 semitone down. And that's a pitchchange of about 20%.
If anyone ever does this I must assume that they are deaf, and not hear how bad it sounds.
There is no benefit, but I don�t believe that anyone does this either.
However, what you could do is this�
You could for example carry three versions of each track with you i.e. one in the regular key, one in the semitone below and one in the semitone above.
This would increase your mixing options drastically and you would not be bound by the traditional musical principals of Harmonic Mixing.
Take this as an example:
You have a track in C minor or 5a, if you then change its key by a semitone whilst retaining its BPM in software like Ableton for example then you could create some interesting opportunities.
You would then have a copy of the track in C#, Cm and B (12a, 5a and 10a).
If you stick to the original mixing principles from Camelot (Which I don�t as there are more regardless of what they say) in the basic I have one track in one key option you have three possible mix possibilities i.e. Its tonic 5a cm, 6a gm and 4a fm. Still plenty to work with but here is where it gets interesting�
If you transpose the tracks by semitones and carry all three versions with you, not only do you have Its tonic 5a cm, 6a gm and 4a fm, but also 12a C#m, 11a F#gm, Em 9a, Bm 10a and 1a G#m. That makes 8 mixing opportunities instead of three. Now if you incorporate modulation mixes and use drops of three or hikes of 4 then you can pretty much do everything, in effect your whole CD wallet becomes available and you do no have to take the key of a record as a restriction.
On the downside, you would seriously have to rethink how you sort your wallet as this can probably take some getting used to.
The other thing you need to take into consideration is the sound of the track, i.e. does it still retain its sonic qualities or at least enough to work on the dance floor. You would also have to watch the tracks that were taken a semitone down at lower pitches as the sound of the kick could end up like a wet fart as with the higher semitones where the pitched up version could end up sounding like a click.
I haven�t seen or heard of anyone doing this and kinda figured it out for myself but I�m sure I�m not the first one, I�m pretty sure that some Ableton DJs out there have caught on to this and are doing it.
Just food for thought.
Cheers
Nem
Nem is such a winner
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