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What is worse? Cuba or North Korea?

Discuss?

I say North Korea far and away.

While Cuba lack democracy and fundamental human rights the over all living conditions of the populace from my research does not sound as bad as it is often made out to be in the US.

North Korea just sounds like hell on earth.

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Forums dead to me because anything that involves actual debate is taken up by radical left wing and right wing idiots and pro-pan-arab apologists.

In other words, the COR actually has more reasonable debate than the people that just hang out in PDD.

While N. Korea is much more extreme, they are both fucked. Lacking basic necessities on a normal and regular basis, going hungry, barely surviving with almost no resources, etc. It is all just fucked.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel They are both fucked. Lacking basic necessities on a normal and regular basis, going hungry, barely surviving with almost no resources, etc. It is all just fucked.

+1

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby reasonable debate

Fuck that!

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel While N. Korea is much more extreme, they are both fucked. Lacking basic necessities on a normal and regular basis, going hungry, barely surviving with almost no resources, etc. It is all just fucked.

What are your sources on that for Cuba?


I think that the view of Cuba in the US is vastly swayed against it because of the large and powerful exile community in southern Florida.

According to the UN, the average life expectancy in Cuba is the third highest in the Americas, behind Chile and Canada. The US is a close fourth.

Infant mortality rates are actually lower than they are in the US.

If they are struggling to get the basics how are these things true?

North Korea.

As far as I know, the Cuban population is not nearly as brain-washed.

North Korea looks like it's entire society is based on 1984.

Yeah, people are drowning to get to this country because life is great in Cuba

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby What are your sources on that for Cuba? I think that the view of Cuba in the US is vastly swayed against it because of the large and powerful exile community in southern Florida. According to the UN, the average life expectancy in Cuba is the third highest in the Americas, behind Chile and Canada. The US is a close fourth. Infant mortality rates are actually lower than they are in the US. If they are struggling to get the basics how are these things true?

How is healthcare and the basic necessities related?

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel How is healthcare and the basic necessities related?

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel While N. Korea is much more extreme, they are both fucked. Lacking basic necessities on a normal and regular basis, going hungry, barely surviving with almost no resources, etc. It is all just fucked.

If they were given a chance to trade with the US their over all standard of living would go up very quickly. They just need to be given that opportunity.

Any one that disagrees is only supporting a plan that only hurts the normal Cuban man women and child.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel How is healthcare and the basic necessities related?

If people are living longer in Cuba than in the States, does that not indicate that, somehow, basic necessities are being met?

The only reason that you think N. Korea is a greater danger is that it has a closer proximity to your home. It has nothing to do with national security, just your own.

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Originally posted by Spam If people are living longer in Cuba than in the States, does that not indicate that, somehow, basic necessities are being met?

So the fact that the government covers going to the doctor means that basic necessities are met?

Seriously?

And Nou, the fact that they can or can't trade with us is only a small part. Let me go find my thread I created about the Cuban embargo

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy The only reason that you think N. Korea is a greater danger is that it has a closer proximity to your home. It has nothing to do with national security, just your own.

Who mentioned national security? /end

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Who mentioned national security? /end

You really think that Nou's NW Pacific loving ass cares about the plight of the North Korean population? It's really not hard to read between the lines.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy You really think that Nou's NW Pacific loving ass cares about the plight of the North Korean population?

lol no, but that doesn't mean we can't have a debate about it.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel So the fact that the government covers going to the doctor means that basic necessities are met? Seriously? And Nou, the fact that they can or can't trade with us is only a small part. Let me go find my thread I created about the Cuban embargo

If basic necessities were not being met, then they would be dying earlier to nutritional deficiencies, thirst, starvation, the elements, etc. Wouldn't they?

Living that long isn't as simple as going to see the doctor, it takes proper nutrition, exercise, shelter, clothing, etc.

The two countries are not comparable. Cuba is chill, NK is the crazy one.

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Originally posted by Spam If basic necessities were not being met, then they would be dying earlier to nutritional deficiencies, thirst, starvation, the elements, etc. Wouldn't they? Living that long isn't as simple as going to see the doctor, it takes proper nutrition, exercise, shelter, clothing, etc.

Agreed, but say you eat 1 meal a day instead of 2, but it isn't enough to keep you properly nourished. You won't appear emaciated or anything like that, but you won't be properly healthy.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel lol no, but that doesn't mean we can't have a debate about it.

I don't really feel like there's even a debate to be had. I find it difficult to believe that even Cuban ex-pats would think that Cuba is worse once they've investigated what goes on in NK. Political dissidents don't even get the chance to become dissidents in NK. And what are they going to do, flee across the border to SK, considering how lightly monitored that is...

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Agreed, but say you eat 1 meal a day instead of 2, but it isn't enough to keep you properly nourished. You won't appear emaciated or anything like that, but you won't be properly healthy.

And as such, I sure as hell won't live til I'm 80 either. So since they are, how can you also claim that their basic necessities are not being met?

I don't understand how a higher life-expectancy can mean anything less than the population's basic needs ARE being met. If they weren't, their life expectancy would be lower.

Have any of you defending the Cuban system actually been to Cuba?

easily north korea. kim jong-il is cock blocking me.

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