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Posted by Energy_3 on Aug-25-2009 22:17:

Dunno Appendix considered more valuable (than) then we thought

The body's appendix has long been thought of as nothing more than a worthless evolutionary artifact, good for nothing save a potentially lethal case of inflammation.
Now researchers suggest the appendix is a lot more than a useless remnant. Not only was it recently proposed to actually possess a critical function, but scientists now find it appears in nature a lot more often than before thought. And it's possible some of this organ's ancient uses could be recruited by physicians to help the human body fight disease more effectively.

In a way, the idea that the appendix is an organ whose time has passed has itself become a concept whose time is over.

"Maybe it's time to correct the textbooks," said researcher William Parker, an immunologist at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, N.C. "Many biology texts today still refer to the appendix as a 'vestigial organ.'"

Slimy sac The vermiform appendix is a slimy dead-end sac that hangs between the small and large intestines. No less than Charles Darwin first suggested that the appendix was a vestigial organ from an ancestor that ate leaves, theorizing that it was the evolutionary remains of a larger structure, called a cecum, which once was used by now-extinct predecessors for digesting food.

"Everybody likely knows at least one person who had to get their appendix taken out - slightly more than 1 in 20 people do - and they see there are no ill effects, and this suggests that you don't need it," Parker said.

However, Parker and his colleagues recently suggested that the appendix still served as a vital safehouse where good bacteria could lie in wait until they were needed to repopulate the gut after a nasty case of diarrhea. Past studies had also found the appendix can help make, direct and train white blood cells.

Now, in the first investigation of the appendix over the ages, Parker explained they discovered that it has been around much longer than anyone had suspected, hinting that it plays a critical function.

"The appendix has been around for at least 80 million years, much longer than we would estimate if Darwin's ideas about the appendix were correct," Parker said.

Moreover, the appendix appears in nature much more often than previously acknowledged. It has evolved at least twice, once among Australian marsupials such as the wombat and another time among rats, lemmings, meadow voles, Cape dune mole-rats and other rodents, as well as humans and certain primates.

"When species are divided into groups called 'families,' we find that more than 70 percent of all primate and rodent groups contain species with an appendix," Parker said.

Several living species, including several lemurs, certain rodents and the scaly-tailed flying squirrel, still have an appendix attached to a large cecum, which is used in digestion. Darwin had thought appendices appeared in only a small handful of animals.

"We're not saying that Darwin's idea of evolution is wrong - that would be absurd, as we're using his ideas on evolution to do this work," Parker told LiveScience. "It's just that Darwin simply didn't have the information we have now."

He added, "If Darwin had been aware of the species that have an appendix attached to a large cecum, and if he had known about the widespread nature of the appendix, he probably would not have thought of the appendix as a vestige of evolution."
What causes appendicitis?

Darwin was also not aware that appendicitis, or a potentially deadly inflammation of the appendix, is not due to a faulty appendix, but rather to cultural changes associated with industrialized society and improved sanitation, Parker said.

"Those changes left our immune systems with too little work and too much time their hands - a recipe for trouble," he said. "Darwin had no way of knowing that the function of the appendix could be rendered obsolete by cultural changes that included widespread use of sewer systems and clean drinking water."

Now that scientists are uncovering the normal function of the appendix, Parker notes a critical question to ask is whether anything can be done to prevent appendicitis. He suggests it might be possible to devise ways to incite our immune systems today in much the same manner that they were challenged back in the Stone Age.
"If modern medicine could figure out a way to do that, we would see far fewer cases of allergies, autoimmune disease, and appendicitis," Parker said.

Its funny the ignorance of humans just because the physiological response isn't obvious imediately or, that they are able to pin point accuratelty through scientific method, they argue that something is useless in the case of the appendix. Cleary it serves a purpose to a greater or lesser extent even if not known by humans. As its exists soley for the purpose of function - which is my argument. But then maybe im wrong, maybe it is nothing.


Posted by stren on Aug-25-2009 22:28:

cor version pls


Posted by denys envy on Aug-25-2009 22:29:

now if they could only figure out what i do with the dangly thing between my legs...


Posted by Energy_3 on Aug-25-2009 22:33:

quote:
Originally posted by denys envy
now if they could only figure out what i do with the dangly thing between my legs...


either cut it off, and give you some progesterone or the opposite administer testosterone.


Posted by denys envy on Aug-25-2009 22:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Energy_3
either cut it off, and give you some progesterone or the opposite administer testosterone.


and how would you know?


Posted by Energy_3 on Aug-25-2009 22:41:

quote:
Originally posted by denys envy
and how would you know?


I dont have any idea whatsoever. just assumed.


Posted by denys envy on Aug-25-2009 22:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Energy_3
I dont have any idea whatsoever. just assumed.


well you know what happens when you assume...


Posted by Ygrene on Aug-25-2009 22:44:

quote:
Originally posted by denys envy
well you know what happens when you assume...


God kills an appendix.


Posted by denys envy on Aug-25-2009 22:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Ygrene
God kills an appendix.


no that's Taco Bell.


Posted by Energy_3 on Aug-25-2009 22:48:

quote:
Originally posted by denys envy
well you know what happens when you assume...


yeah you assume fuck all. i think! hmm which is what i did.

Damm god


Posted by denys envy on Aug-25-2009 22:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Energy_3
yeah you assume fuck all. i think! hmm which is what i did.

Damm god



i bet his penis is buried in there.


Posted by Energy_3 on Aug-25-2009 22:53:

quote:
Originally posted by denys envy
i bet his penis is buried in there.


true, along with his appendix! nows hes stuffed


Posted by Nrg2Nfinit on Aug-25-2009 23:41:

HAH SEE I TOLLD YOU DARWIN WAS WRONG EVOLUTIOn IS A HOAX!!! arrr harha hahrharhahrhra


Posted by astroboy on Aug-26-2009 00:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
HAH SEE I TOLLD YOU DARWIN WAS WRONG EVOLUTIOn IS A HOAX!!! arrr harha hahrharhahrhra


I know it's like

missing fossil record of many transitional forms -> theory of evolution is not perfectly proven -> my theory of God making everything in 7 days is correct

appendix not useless -> Darwin is wrong -> God made all in 7 days


Can't argue with logic


Posted by Spam on Aug-26-2009 00:10:

quote:
Originally posted by astroboy
I know it's like

missing fossil record of many transitional forms -> theory of evolution is not perfectly proven -> my theory of God making everything in 7 days is correct

appendix not useless -> Darwin is wrong -> God made all in 7 days


Can't argue with logic


He actually made it all in 6 days. On the 7th day, he smoked a doob and kicked back in his La-Z-Boy.


Posted by shaw on Aug-26-2009 00:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Energy_3
Appendix considered more valuable then thought


so what did it decide?


Posted by Sunsnail on Aug-26-2009 01:31:

I thought this was going to be about how the appendix is more important than thought. Like thinking, and thoughts, and the mind


Posted by astroboy on Aug-26-2009 01:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Spam
He actually made it all in 6 days. On the 7th day, he smoked a doob and kicked back in his La-Z-Boy.


Oh yea.. silly me I forgot the fundamental precepts of my own scientific theory. Though I think on the 7th day he smoked a bong on the beach on a deck chair. You have no proof that he smoked a doob on a La-Z-Boy therefore I must be right


Posted by denys envy on Aug-26-2009 01:33:

quote:
Originally posted by astroboy
Oh yea.. silly me I forgot the fundamental precepts of my own scientific theory. Though I think on the 7th day he smoked a bong on the beach on a deck chair. You have no proof that he smoked a doob on a La-Z-Boy therefore I must be right


you're both wrong. he actually went to a NASCAR race.


Posted by astroboy on Aug-26-2009 01:38:

quote:
Originally posted by denys envy
you're both wrong. he actually went to a NASCAR race.


Nah dude my book says I'm right and you don't have proof therefore I must be right. I don't need positive proof of my theory.. that's the way creation science works.. poke holes in other theories and ignore the holes in your own because it is right by default.


Posted by kadomony on Aug-26-2009 01:38:

i read the title as "more valuable than thought"


Posted by denys envy on Aug-26-2009 01:40:

quote:
Originally posted by astroboy
Nah dude my book says I'm right and you don't have proof therefore I must be right. I don't need positive proof of my theory.. that's the way creation science works.. poke holes in other theories and ignore the holes in your own because it is right by default.


no way dude. it was NASCAR. and Jimmy Stewart won the Divine 300.


Posted by Spam on Aug-26-2009 01:47:

quote:
Originally posted by astroboy
Nah dude my book says I'm right and you don't have proof therefore I must be right. I don't need positive proof of my theory.. that's the way creation science works.. poke holes in other theories and ignore the holes in your own because it is right by default.


You TOTALLY have proof dude. The sedimentary layer on top of the earth PROVES the great flood actually happened. And everyone knows that floods are caused by God. The sun revolves around the earth as well, just like your book says. Einstein's theory of relativity proves it. Relative to the EARTH, the entire universe rotates around it, while the earth stands still. That, plus the dinosaurs had human bones in their stomache. The Illuminati and Rockefeller covered it up so Obama could win the election. I know this because I saw the dynomite go off in the videos of the twin towers crumbling to the ground. Also Neil Armstrong was laughing in his Hollywood changeroom when it happened.


Posted by itsamemario on Aug-26-2009 01:49:

i thought this was about retarded american insure companies/courtsystem, and how u could get more money if you lost your appendix than if you lost your head.


Posted by iTranscendence on Aug-26-2009 01:51:

Fascinating.

+1


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