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Whats wrong with Pro-Tools? Why does it suck?
I use to hear Pro-Tools thrown around a lot yearrrrss ago when I was younger. But it seems like noone uses it now and days and I'm more or less curious why.
Whats wrong with it? The more specific you can get the better because I've been telling people in recent years that Pro-Tools sucks, but only cause I notice not a lot of people seem to use it, not cause I actually used it and know whats wrong with it, which Id really like to know.
Thanks!
The downsides of ProTools are blatantly obvious... I don't know why you need a thread for it.
Pro Tools does not suck as for audio editing!
Pro Tools was my 1st daw and now i think i am going back to it for mixing and audio editing!
What does suck about Pro Tools is midi and the fact that you cant use vsts!
But u can use Pro Tools plug ins called RTAS!
But for audio editing Pro Tools is the BEST!
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| Originally posted by atxbigballer1 But for audio editing Pro Tools is the BEST! |
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| Originally posted by echosystm What can it do that Cubase/Sonar/Logic can't? That was a rhetorical question - the answer is nothing. Infact, with VariAudio, I'd say Cubase 5 actually rapes ProTools for audio Why would you buy a DAW that is only good for audio editing, when you can have a DAW that does everything well? Makes no sense. |
From my understanding, ProTools becomes more interesting when you use a DAW to record, edit and mix an actual band (i.e. record, edit and mix audio tracks).
Most of us are into a different kind of production.
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| Originally posted by atxbigballer1 SHow me or tell me how i can do what this guy is doing in Pro Tools in any other daw! I cant do it in Cubase, live , fl and reaper only protools! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA8B...feature=related |
pro tools beat detect is far better than any other slicing plugin in any other DAW.
so for example you can record 12 tracks of drum kit (kick snare, hat etc etc
and beat detect will time stretch every track so its perfectly in time, and that every track matches excatly and it sounds really f**king good. better than drumagog and quicker as well. if you havent used it to record bands in then you wont realise the benefits.
thats just one example.
for dance production and midi. yep use cubase/logic or whatever, but for audio and "serious" audio apps Protools, was and still is the industry standard.
Pro Tools is the industy standard, because studios who don�t have pro tools often get
passed by, by people who think pro tools is the only "pro" app out there. Sad, but true.
Studio people who use cubase/logicsonar usually hjave pro tools LE just so they have it on
their gear list. BTW, there�s nothing wrong with pro tools, it�s the owners who are
the problem.
Well I see quite a lot of people stepping down from the idea that pro-tools is the only multi-track recording DAW for band recordings. The only reason why (I think) a lot of people hold on to protools is the investment the have made to start out with it. Protools with a decent interface costs a fortune.
However I see a lot of places where they are shifting away from protools, mostly to Logic because people still hold on to the idea that a Mac is superiour instead of different than a windows pc.
Ohhhhhh no.. We�re NOT going there. 
My only experience with PT was a cheap MBox and PTLE7 that I had for a few months. Honestly, I can't say that I see why so many people consider it superior for tracking/mixing, but I suppose if I had used it every day, I might have a different view. It really seemed to be weak on the MIDI side compared to other DAWs, which is the primary reason I never really got into it and eventually sold it.
To me, Pro Tools is great. For audio editing I could give 4/5.
For SOUND QUALITY, mixing, mastering, I could give 5/5 for pro tools. Logic and cubase I could give 4/5.
Pro tools need higher spec of processor and memory. my imac 2.66 core 2 duo with 4memory, sometimes is not enough!!
However the limitation is the plug-ins and the limited instrument. They only give Xpand (instrument). While Xpand is depending on the presets. There are no osc, they provide only ATTACK DECAY RELEASE CUTOFF ENVDEPT PITCH and other effects like delay and flanger which are very basic.
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| Originally posted by DreambreaX For SOUND QUALITY, mixing, mastering, I could give 5/5 for pro tools. Logic and cubase I could give 4/5. |
Fuck ProTools...how did Sonar get mentioned?
on the more expensive ProTools outboard consoles, of course a big plus is the seamless soft/hardware integration.
There seems to be a lot of misinformation relating to protools on here.
I have to use it everyday in the studio at work, and by that I mean 4 fully expanded ProTools HD3 rigs, both for tracking sessions and mixing (for film). And that's just the smaller studio 1.......
Protools is the industry standard for several reasons (listed in importance).
1, Stability. Above every other consideration, stability is the number one priority in a pro studio. When you are on a deadline and the dub stage is waiting for your stems, and hour delay can cost $10k without blinking, let alone a day late. PTHD is, in relative terms, the most stable platform.
2, Connectivity/Track count - a fully expanded PTHD rig can give you 192 tracks (simultaneuos). Also, the DIGI96/192 interfaces have an abundance of connectivity options (adat/optical/tdif/spdif/aesebu/analogue/madi/etc.) to interface with whatever you need, including MADI which saves a huge amount of wiring/cable (52 or 64 tracks per one coax cables).
3, Processing power. PTHD rigs can be expanded and link to give more tracks at higher resolutions than any other platform and that doesn't even mention the DSP for TDM plugins which in most cases are far more powerful and processor consuming than than the vast majority of VST/AU's. Altiverb alone needs two DSP cards to use any the longer impulse responses (over 4secs tails for instance).
4, Audio editing - not logic, cubase or sonar offer the editing options. For instance: playlists (of takes) on tracks based on linear time reference, Waveform manipulation (draw part of the waveform), elastic time (pioneered by Protools over 3 years ago), audio time delay offset between discreet devices and machines, I could go on but you get the point....
I'm not a protools fanboy - some days I hate it with a passion and I find the interface clunky and ugly, but nothing has the range of vast options that PTHD does, especially available as a simple modular system that can lend itself to so many studio applications, be it analogue or digital, tracking or mixing, live sound or dubstage. etc.
Note that I didn't mention sound quality - at this level all the comparable interfaces sound great - if anything PTHD sounds clear but a bit dead to me, so sound quality is a bit of an irrelevant point.
personally, mboxes or the mpowered versions are a waste of space and time. The interfaces are overpriced for their quality and the version of protools is limited so the advanced function are not present. great way to learn the basics of protools, but not really a clever option when you can better sounding interfaces to use with better programs such as logic,cubase or sonar.
Just my 2c's
Nicely summed up DJ RANN, but I would just add that I personally read the OP's original question in a little different context - I was thinking of it more from a home studio-ist's standpoint. Not many of us can drop thousands of $$$ on a PT HD system and most of us probably wouldn't even if we had that kind of expendable income, so I guess I just assumed that he was referring more to the MBox/M-Powered PTLE systems. But, you raise many good points.
Anyway, what are your thoughts on PT's MIDI editing capabilities? Have they been improved in PT8?
Rann's got all its advantages listed well. Its only useful if recording large numbers of tracks basically. If you're recording an orchestra, PT would be my go to, but I'm never going to do that, and if I really needed an orchestra, I'd need a good room for them, so I'd go to a real studio. Pro tools has decent hardware/software integration if you get one of the big systems (ICON) but for smaller setups its not worth it.
Incidentally, I disagree with RANN and studiobob about PT's audio editing. Studiobob, in ableton, you can elasticise the audio in a few seconds and align those drum hits however you like.
There's so many problems with it
- No VST
- Inefficient Looping
- No included instruments and poor plugins
- Lags behind in every feature basically, like midi editing etc...
- Proprietry plug in formats and audio interfaces
- Shitty audio Interfaces (They're hugely overpriced)
- The audio editing just isn't really better
- Can't actually do anything that other DAWs can't, except provide raw audio streaming power for 100 tracks
If I had to work with PTHD, I'd slap a logic frontend on it.
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