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TO Star: The music festival's midlife crisis (North America)
http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/686977
North America? More like Canada and more specifically Ontario. And they forgot the root problem of it all. POLITICS. Because of politics the venues and the hours suck. Look at what they did to WEMF for example. V fest sucks because they bring in boring acts and its all day. No thanks..
In europe they are in cool venues like old castles and go all night and all day. Big difference.
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 In europe they are in cool venues like old castles and go all night and all day. Big difference. |
Eastern europe is the place to be 
And latin america.
I think it's just festivals in Canada that suck. I think they suck because they don't know how to book acts.
Look at Coachella, Boonaroo, v-Fest US, Lollapalooza.. now those are festivals. In Canada they book 1 or 2 big acts and 15 shitty ones that most people have never heard of. Of course you're not going to do the big numbers if your headliner is only good for 10-15,000. Now follow the lead on what they're doing in the states and have 4..5.. 8.. 10 headliners and guess what... people will give a shit, they will travel to be there, they'll camp... they'll do whatever you want them to.
Throw in a DJ stage (that's all ages) with another 6-8 headliners and guess what, you've just upped your attendance by another 5,000 people.
Evan is completely right.
Booked dem big acts. If you build it they will come...lol
But at what venues? Even V fest keeps getting complaints and shuffled around. Now try being an organic event without the lawyers and the money. Forget about it. This is why festivals arent working here. The fun police keep responding to the old fart who complains that they "scared the loons away" (actual quote from a whiner about WEMF 2005)
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| Originally posted by The Highroller Maybe in Eastern Europe, but most outdoor festivals in Western Europe end before midnight. |
also look at how europe does some of their festivals, they have bungee jumping, fairs, rides, sex booths, sheesha booths, even a big festival in LA had places you could get a proper meal, potatoes, beef, etc. It's not just about meeting the band, its broadening your horizon. These promoters should be looking at how europe, central america and asia do their outdoor events. Canada also has certain laws which prohibit promoters from doing certain things, thats why europe is better for outdoor festivals!
I think this Zoo Festival happening in New York will be very interesting to see how they organized and what sort of crowds they can draw.
Take note toronto!
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| Originally posted by samhouse I think this Zoo Festival happening in New York will be very interesting to see how they organized and what sort of crowds they can draw. Take note toronto! |
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 catholic school kilts |
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 But at what venues? Even V fest keeps getting complaints and shuffled around. Now try being an organic event without the lawyers and the money. Forget about it. This is why festivals arent working here. The fun police keep responding to the old fart who complains that they "scared the loons away" (actual quote from a whiner about WEMF 2005) |
canadian festivals don't know how to book decent music. just like canadian radio stations are complete crap - there is not one good mainstream station (i imagine there is some good college radio or something, but i haven't found it). it's not north america, it's canada. coachella always has a brilliant line up. and SXSW is miles ahead of NXNE. v fest was the only semi-decent thing we had that i can think of, and even then it was sorely lacking.
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 You think a city where they are now starting to ban catholic school kilts (not even joking) is going to allow 2 days of rave? yeah right... Take note toronto, move to new york LOL |
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| Originally posted by nadezhda canadian festivals don't know how to book decent music. just like canadian radio stations are complete crap - there is not one good mainstream station (i imagine there is some good college radio or something, but i haven't found it). it's not north america, it's canada. coachella always has a brilliant line up. and SXSW is miles ahead of NXNE. v fest was the only semi-decent thing we had that i can think of, and even then it was sorely lacking. |
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| Originally posted by yankeeBaby you say that. But while the festival should be amazing (made events is uber-organized and I loove all their parties), our venues are constantly being shut down and we have no proper big space (roxy, twilo, sound factory, Exit, Avalon, Spirit, Crobar all shut down....and the list goes on....that just in the last 6 years!!) IE: toronto > NYC in big venues, NYC > Toronto in festivals (maybe...we will see next weekend, eh?) |
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 We are getting shut down too. And the worst is yet to come. Im not sticking around to see it happen! |
youll see 
i know of 2 major clubs getting the lock and key within 6 months. One is imminent.
virgin fest is like the walmart of concerts. who fucking cares.
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| Originally posted by yankeeBaby whats shutting down? (venue-wise?) dont move to NYC...I HATE Pacha and Love. they are 90% of the reason I dont go out anymore. I want the old venues back. |
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| Originally posted by Jayx1 But at what venues? Even V fest keeps getting complaints and shuffled around. Now try being an organic event without the lawyers and the money. Forget about it. This is why festivals arent working here. The fun police keep responding to the old fart who complains that they "scared the loons away" (actual quote from a whiner about WEMF 2005) |
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| Originally posted by Engine9 the big ones go for 16-24hrs non stop |
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| Originally posted by activate markham fairgrounds can accomidate 25-30,000 ample parking.. accessible by ttc.. go transit.. york region transit.. viva.. 2 highways nearby.. 25 minutes from downtown OR.. if you had the acts that draw.. people would make the trek to places like burls creek and camp out all weekend! |
i wish that the godskitchen sundance festival was more successful then it was so they would've done it again. i had such a good time that weekend. it wasn't a HUGE festival by any means but had some good talent in an amazing venue.
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