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Dubfire re-affirms his underground status

Pretty good interview

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I think I caught a lot of flack in that sense in the beginning where people thought I was just trying to cash in on a trend. But you don't go from what we did [in Deep Dish] back underground.

http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1088

noticed that too, I lol'd.

what's with all the dubfire hate, anyway? the guy has made some solid productions and has really advanced the genres of both minimal and prog. and unlike deadmowfive, he seems like a nice enough guy and keeps things interesting with his new productions.

i was going to see him in windsor with hawtin but it didn't work out

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Originally posted by supersaw abuse what's with all the dubfire hate, anyway? the guy has made some solid productions and has really advanced the genres of both minimal and prog. and unlike deadmowfive, he seems like a nice enough guy and keeps things interesting with his new productions. i was going to see him in windsor with hawtin but it didn't work out

please give examples of how he advanced genres

I think his music is terrible even for the genre. I much rather listen to somebody like Loco Dice than him.

There are artists way worse than Dubfire imo. He's just kind of a joke due to the fact that he comes from an act like Deep Dish and tries too hard to worm his way into some kind of "underground" status.

That being said, I saw him live a little while ago and it was enough white noise and woodblocks to make my ears bleed.

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Originally posted by Guest please give examples of how he advanced genres

you're not a fan of deep dish i take it?

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Originally posted by supersaw abuse you're not a fan of deep dish i take it?

He's a textbook example of a trendhopper.

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Originally posted by supersaw abuse you're not a fan of deep dish i take it?

I am. Since he went solo he hasnt advanced anything.

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Originally posted by Guest I am. Since he went solo he hasnt advanced anything.

eh, i enjoy his remixes. but then i really like the glitchy, noisy repetitive stuff. to each his own i suppose

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we are always trying to come up with innovative ways of fusing the music I'm making with its own sort of personality. Starting I guess with the little "nitrogen blasts" that people are using,

i guess that's how he starts off his tracks

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and seriously, if he were bandwagoning, wouldn't he go the way of adam k & soha or wolfgang gartner and start making stuff that's all deadmau5y? until radio slave is making the millions that he richly deserves i don't think minimal is exactly in vogue

furthermore, who cares about how "underground" somebody is? as long as it's good i'll happily listen, regardless of what others think

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Originally posted by supersaw abuse and seriously, if he were bandwagoning, wouldn't he go the way of adam k & soha or wolfgang gartner and start making stuff that's all deadmau5y? until radio slave is making the millions that he richly deserves i don't think minimal is exactly in vogue furthermore, who cares about how "underground" somebody is? as long as it's good i'll happily listen, regardless of what others think

Its less about money and more about him trying to fit in with the "underground" coolness of "minimal music."

That was a good read. Don't have anything against him - he's sort of a hit/miss with me. I've liked a few remixes and Rib Cage. He is very smart and I respect his honesty/integrity. Probably won't play his tracks though.

The impression I get is he got sick of the direction Deep Dish were going, however profitable it may be. If you look at what Sharam has done since they split, it was probably his influence.

However, I think Dubfire wanted to have his cake and eat it - he wanted to make more serious music, but he also wanted to make a fair amount of money from it, too.

im ok w/some of his productions/remixes, but his DJ'ing effen blows. saw him @ Space for Yoshitoshi a cup o years ago & the whole night was wack until Fanciulli pulled a Mighty Mouse

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J However, I think Dubfire wanted to have his cake and eat it - he wanted to make more serious music, but he also wanted to make a fair amount of money from it, too.

what makes you think that? i mean regardless of which direction he went in, he would have been in demand as a dj by virtue of being half of deep dish. i just think that he was very prolific for a couple years because he had some ideas bouncing around in his head, as he said in the interview, and now he's taking it easy (or easier, anyway)

Give him flack but he has done more than any DJ here.

I don't hate the guy at all, I just think his music is boring.

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Originally posted by supersaw abuse what makes you think that? i mean regardless of which direction he went in, he would have been in demand as a dj by virtue of being half of deep dish. i just think that he was very prolific for a couple years because he had some ideas bouncing around in his head, as he said in the interview, and now he's taking it easy (or easier, anyway)

Because it was such a change of direction from a deep house/progressive house career to suddenly make minimal white noise techno, which just happened to be the trendiest scene around when he did it. Believe me, I've seen Dubfire gigs advertised and he was packing them in. I doubt he'd get those slots if he were still making progressive house.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Because it was such a change of direction from a deep house/progressive house career to suddenly make minimal white noise techno, which just happened to be the trendiest scene around when he did it. Believe me, I've seen Dubfire gigs advertised and he was packing them in. I doubt he'd get those slots if he were still making progressive house.

but if, as you said, sharam was the driving force behind deep dish's productions, who's to say that ali wasn't just going the way he wanted to go? i mean, it's awfully silly to make music you don't like just because you think it will draw in the cool kids/be profitable/get you laid/etc. ali seems like a genuine guy to me and i have absolutely nothing wrong with the direction he's taken since leaving deep dish

I only meant their last productions, the George Is On era.

His productions are for the most part functional, yet otherwise uninteresting.

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Originally posted by Seppuku He's a textbook example of a trendhopper.

based on your thinking, Sven Vath would be a trendhopper too? The freakin founder and pioneer of Cocoon? He has had alot more commercial career before cocoon than Deep Dish.
And if you guys even consider trivializing Sven than I literally have zero respect for your thoughts.

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Originally posted by nsamadi Give him flack but he has done more than any DJ here.

Please elaborate.

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