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i was listening to my little sisters hard dance cd coming out of her bedroom. I used to be into UK hard house/trance in a big way 2004/5 went to all the clubs used to work for some of the nights in ibiza everyhting. Anyway 2002-2005 uk hard house/trance had a sound a sort of pop under the kick thraping melodies and massive epic trance sounds with charicteristic hard bass lines.

Now it sounds like slightly slower hardcore music and way way cheesier.

is it just that I am older and dont do drugs anymore! and the genre has left me behind or do all dance genres change so significantly that they are almost unrecognisable 4-5 years on?

Yeah I used to be a hard trance / hard house / hardstyle freak and even though I have grown out of it I will still enjoy an oldschool thumping track every now and then. But yeah I agree, for some reason, no matter how many elements of a new track in the above mentioned genres are similar to some of my old faves I can't get in to them at all. I think the genres have been done to death. Even the top DJs and producers have tamed down their new stuff as I'm sure even they are getting sick of the sound.

their is still producers out there making the harder shit just not very many making something really worth listening to.
and with no real innovation left in the genre people get bored and move on.

I heard Happy Hardcore was making a come back in eastern parts of Europe. Good lord I hope that is not true.

Have you noticed the policemen getting younger?

i wonder if it is just my nostalgia that i hear in the pre 2005 tunes. Seriously though hard house/trances seems just to be slower happy hardcore not when it certainly wasnt back then. Now every second tune is a voice over saying "are you ready to haaaaavve ittttt" or "Come ooooon leetss paaaaarty" with cheesy mc vocal things too.

I liked it when tidy trax ruled the roost and vicous circle were huge.

Just look at the evolution of trance for an example. In the early 1990s it was mostly the harsh or spacey acid stuff. By 2000 it was mostly supersaws and airy female vocals. Genres can change a lot quite quickly.

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Originally posted by Sonic_c i wonder if it is just my nostalgia that i hear in the pre 2005 tunes. Seriously though hard house/trances seems just to be slower happy hardcore not when it certainly wasnt back then. Now every second tune is a voice over saying "are you ready to haaaaavve ittttt" or "Come ooooon leetss paaaaarty" with cheesy mc vocal things too. I liked it when tidy trax ruled the roost and vicous circle were huge.

Don't know how you, or anybody, could stand that stuff. Anything above 140 bpm makes me want to run my fingernails against a chalk board and shove bamboo sticks under my toe nails.

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Originally posted by Sonic_c i wonder if it is just my nostalgia that i hear in the pre 2005 tunes.

Maybe.

My favorite dance music tends to be from an era that I didn't even experience, 1990 - 1998 or so. I started getting into EDM around 1999 when epic trance was really blowing up, but I feel less fondness for the tracks of that era than I do for ones that came out earlier, although I do love a lot of prog trance from about 1999 - 2002 or so. Can you have nostalgia for something you weren't there to hear originally?

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Don't know how you, or anybody, could stand that stuff. Anything above 140 bpm makes me want to run my fingernails against a chalk board and shove bamboo sticks under my toe nails.

Lol most ravers were high maybe thats why

I used to be into LA/Chicago Hardhouse back in the 90's. I been noticing that it's coming back Lately I been mixing newer stuff with old hardhouse and it works! Some new songs that sound like the old LA/Chicago Hardhouse are by Afrojack and LMFAO like Sexy Bitch (Afrojack Remix), Moombah (Afrojack Remix), Boom Boom Pow (LMFAO Partyrockers Remix), Let The Bass Kick, etc.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley I heard Happy Hardcore was making a come back in eastern parts of Europe. Good lord I hope that is not true.

Hardcore(UK) is the biggest genre in the UK at the moment, every chav and his pitbull love it here.

i miss hardhouse

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Originally posted by palm i miss hardhouse

me too

Still loads about just split abit more.

There is Bounce which is basically still the old old style hard house - hoovers, acid etc - see Andy Whitby

Hardstyle which is basically old hard trance with gabba and basic riffs and THAT pitched kick drum

NU-NRG is still banging out tho it just called NRG now - tough tough hard house with some twisted psy influences

Then Freeform which I really like - massive trance riffs, ripping 303 and tight basslines. Quicker speeds but amazing!! K-KOmplex, Scott Genetik

lol u had to be from the UK

Whats that mean Palm?

typical UK to make up shit genres all over again. there is only 4 genres in edm. house, trance, techno and progressive (prog might not even be a genre, but just a description of one of the three others). back then u also had rave which is what can be gabber and shit now.

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Originally posted by palm typical UK to make up shit genres all over again. there is only 4 genres in edm. house, trance, techno and progressive (prog might not even be a genre, but just a description of one of the three others). back then u also had rave which is what can be gabber and shit now.

Breaks?

Drum & Bass?

Hardcore?

but yeah, I get your meaning

Pft Palm, Psy is bigger than house. And Techno?? Really? How is that even on the radar.

The big EDM genras in order from biggest to smallest:

Trance.

PsyGoa.

House.

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How is Channel X - Rave the Rythm considered gabber?

I disagree sub genr's are important so lets say I want to buy some hard house right?

I go to a download site and browse catgory 'house' you think that would be the best way? or another so my local record shop has(used to) have rows and rows of vinyl literally like a library. Imagine walking in there and looking in the trance section when you wanted the latest tidy trax hard trance slammer?

I bet your like the same sort of person that reckons their are only 3 storylines for films and every other film is a blend/variaion on those 3.

Oh and for your information seen as house was born in the US and very quickly divided into disco house, acid house, warehouse, etc etc then surely the genre splitting was a US invention?

nothing against US but using sweeping generalisations about a country is a bit silly it would be like me saying all american cops are fat and eat donuts?

House is by far and away the largest EDM genre. Prob looking at techno or poss drum n bass next if your talking less commercial stuff then after that the diff is going to be pretty irrelevant:

Palm - dont shoot the messenger lol, tbh it going to happen with so much music out there esp in the world. In practical terms most of the above would be played at the same night but it helps when you're tracking down music.

to all the haters lol:

hardcore, dnb and rave, gabber are all the same to me and its dead long time ago.

breaks, psy, goa is just variations of trance to my ears.

house well is house, progressive house, acid house, hardhouse, deephouse etc.

techno includes the rest of the oldschool stuff. i consider orbital techno.

lately techno and house seems to be the same. minimal is abit house to me. true techno died 4 years ago.

so we end up with two genres: trance and house. and then we have styles of both which are very similar; prog house and prog trance.

conclusion is this; theres only one genre worth mentioning when it comes to edm: prog

long live prog

No one likes house...house is crappy music that is played in like a few tiny irrelevent european/westasian [which ever name you prefer] countries, and 4 cities in ameirca..the rest of the world doesn't give a shit, because they all like the opposite sex.

And what the fuck is prog? Prog is not its own genra, its when you take a genra and shittify it, and you end up with "prog" house "prog" trance "prog psy" "prog" bollocks... etc etc

/sarcasm .... OR IS IT?

Funny someone saying the UK is irrelevant and house is nothing. It has touched so many other genres for example madonna, kylie cheesy as hell but world wide names all their tracks are basically house now. House is the definitive genre I think you will find I have travelled a fair bit and I have never every failed to find house music never been to the middle east though maybe not there?

Ibiza (tiny island i know) but its economy runs on people visiting to et drunk and listen to house music.

Trance came from house anyway if you trace it right back so why are you on a trance forum.

You can not seriously be posting on an EDM production forum saying house is "crappy music that is played in a few tiny irrelevant.....countries" come on man?

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