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Is Canada Ready for ANOTHER Federal Election

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Media raps Canada opposition for election push OTTAWA, Sept 2 (Reuters) - A promise by Canada's main opposition party to try to bring down the minority government provoked much head-scratching and little enthusiasm in big Canadian newspapers on Wednesday. Commentators said the promise from Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff, and the possibility of a second federal election in little over a year, offered few guarantees of success for the opposition, which is neck-and-neck with the ruling Conservatives in most opinion polls. Ignatieff says the government has not done enough to deal with the economic crisis, and he plans to bring in a a motion of non-confidence in the government as soon as possible. "Mr Ignatieff could not have picked a worse time to make complaints about (Conservative) management of a foul-weather economy," the right-leaning National Post said in an editorial that also said a stimulus package was helping to end the recession. Other observers puzzled by why Ignatieff -- who pulled back from a threat to topple Prime Minister Stephen Harper in June -- was so determined to bring the government down now, given the last election took place only in October 2008. "It remained unclear from Mr Ignatieff's remarks exactly what he was demanding of the government to justify an election that in June he had argued Canadians did not want," said Globe and Mail columnist Jeffrey Simpson. "For some unexplained reason, they apparently desire one in November." Canada has had three minority governments since June 2004 and the Liberals have kept the Conservative government in power this year by backing crucial legislation such as the budget. Chantal Hebert, columnist for the left-leaning Toronto Star, said the Liberals had no guarantee of winning an election, and some Liberal legislators from the powerful province of Ontario disliked the idea of an early vote. "The fact that the members of Parliament closest to the biggest battlefield of the next campaign are also among the least enthused about heading to the polls is both noteworthy and significant," she wrote. Don Martin, writing in the right-of-center Ottawa Citizen, rapped Ignatieff for "what must rank as the most nonsensical excuse at the worst possible time" for another election and mocked the Liberal leader's talk of building a better Canada. "A delusional Ignatieff seem to think the economy won't drive the campaign as he raps himself in a visionary flag," he wrote. Commentator Alain Dubuc of the French-language La Presse newspaper was one of the few to show sympathy for Ignatieff. "If he brings down the government people will accuse him of plunging us into another election. But if he doesn't bring it down, he will no doubt be accused of backing Harper," he wrote. "He will pay a price for triggering an election. But the price of not doing so will no doubt be higher." (Reporting by David Ljunggren; editing by Janet Guttsman)

It will be interesting to see what happens come September 14, 2009.

So does anybody think we are ready for another election?

I think Iggy blew his chance... conventional political strategy would dictate that you push for an election near the trough of an economic downturn, not after the recovery has started. The country doesn't need an election now, as it will change very little. The only reasons for this I can think of are; a) he wants to lock in a new seat count now before the recovery really gets rolling and the Cons. look better, b) he is hoping a third straight minority may prompt the Cons. to oust Stevie, c) he's afraid that he'll look Dionish (wimpy) if he continues to shy away from bringing down the gov't.

I agree that he missed his opportunity back in June to push for an election however; June was to soon for another election. I think even now an election will only work in favour of Harper....and I am seriously scared that a majority government would come from this....and I really am affraid for a Canada with a Harper majority.

I dunno if the public wants another election now

Maybe Iggy is doing a bit of sabre rattling prior to fall sessions?

Sounds more like mind games to me than real serious election threat.

I actually think the biggest winners out of another election would be NDP and Bloc...

This would be just stupid. If anybody forces another election I will make sure to campaign against their party. $200 million for what? A few more seats?

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Originally posted by Yohan I actually think the biggest winners out of another election would be NDP and Bloc...

I'm not sure about the Bloc but the NDP is polling lower then last election... so they are unlikely to win anything out of this.

If we had a provincial election I would be happy as hell. I'm happy with what Harper is doing. Canada is doing well through the recession compared to other countries. GDP is back in the black and there has been about a 30% recovery in thr markets thus far.

Forget federal politics, get Dalton McFuckhead out of office.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I agree that he missed his opportunity back in June to push for an election however; June was to soon for another election. I think even now an election will only work in favour of Harper....and I am seriously scared that a majority government would come from this....and I really am affraid for a Canada with a Harper majority.

He's seemed fairly pragmatic to me, and keeps most of his key election promises. What is it that scares you so much about him?

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Originally posted by Spam He's seemed fairly pragmatic to me, and keeps most of his key election promises. What is it that scares you so much about him?

Its easy to keep your election promises when you have a minority government that could be toppled at any time.

I believe he is a two faced individual with a hidden agenda. I think things will be much different if he has the chance to run a majority government. I would have no problem supporting a CPC government if Harper wasn't in charge.

Bad move for the liberals. Although I hope they do it and lose so Ignatief get sent packing.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced It will be interesting to see what happens come September 14, 2009. So does anybody think we are ready for another election?

Wait.....your not Jayx1?

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Originally posted by Spam He's seemed fairly pragmatic to me,

agreed

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and keeps most of his key election promises.

What?
- elected senate and "all appointments would be mad on merit-based requirements."... broken (only one senator elected)
- bill to prohibit floor crossing without a bi-election... David Emerson anyone?
- more accountability... all power in the PMO office
- strengthened role of Ethics Commissioner... Harper has refused multiple requests for an interview by the Ethics Comissioner of the Grewal phone taping affair
- Promise to make Capital Gains exempt from taxation if reinvested... still no such exemption
- promise to scrap GST on fuel if over 85 cents per litre... I think we know that this didn't happen
- promise to uphold government commitments to women... cut the Status of Women budget by 39%
- promise not to tax income trusts... income trusts now taxed
- promise to create a Foreign Credentials Agency... no such agency planned
- promise to reduce government polling... Libs spent $18million, cons spent $31.2 million in their first year
- promise to make all non-budget votes in the house free votes... nope
- promise fixed election dates (unless defeated by a non-confidence vote... yeah, broke that one too

^ the above is just what I can recall off the top of my head.

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What is it that scares you so much about him?

this....

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Canada with a Harper majority.

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Originally posted by urban_legend Wait.....your not Jayx1?

everyone knows I'm Moral Hazard and Jayx1 is Moral Hazard's alternate personality.

^ srsly... n00b

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Originally posted by Sentinal If we had a provincial election I would be happy as hell. I'm happy with what Harper is doing. Canada is doing well through the recession compared to other countries. GDP is back in the black and there has been about a 30% recovery in thr markets thus far. Forget federal politics, get Dalton McFuckhead out of office.

+ a million

Dalton is ruining ontario.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced everyone knows I'm Moral Hazard and Jayx1 is Moral Hazard's alternate personality.

LOL hahaha

This is obviously a power grab by Ignorantieff. They are saying that harper hasnt done enough about employment insurance. Meanwhile the blue ribbon panel that was started between the libs and the conservatives hasnt even published their report and recommendations yet! I love how he will be campaigning on bringing that little terrorist douchebag traitor Khadr to Canada. Let the americans try and punish him just like we do with anyone else that is subject to a foreign jurisdiction. Give me a break! But i guess the liberals know where their votes are eh?

Iggy and the Libs are bitter that their little attempt at a coup last winter didnt succeed. They also had a decent fund raising drive in the summer so its all about opportunity.

How is a federal election going to have a good outcome for the economy when it results in shutting down parliament for 2 months or more?

If ignoramous does force an election, i hope harper gets a majority so he can start governing like a conservative instead of a quasi-liberal which is what he has had to do to fend off another coup attempt.

Hidden agenda? LOL! There is a recycled term from the past! Didnt work for Martin, didnt work for Dion and wont work now.

In fact the only hidden agenda ive seen is Dalton "i wont raise your taxes" Mcguinty. And we all know how that worked out!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 This is obviously a power grab by Ignorantieff. They are saying that harper hasnt done enough about employment insurance. Meanwhile the blue ribbon panel that was started between the libs and the conservatives hasnt even published their report and recommendations yet! I love how he will be campaigning on bringing that little terrorist douchebag traitor Khadr to Canada. Let the americans try and punish him just like we do with anyone else that is subject to a foreign jurisdiction. Give me a break! But i guess the liberals know where their votes are eh?

BINGO!!!!! Finally someone said it. Bastard should rot in a cell for the rest of his life. And if you look at the electoral demographics in this country it is painfully obvious who is voting for who.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 In fact the only hidden agenda ive seen is Dalton "i wont raise your taxes" Mcguinty. And we all know how that worked out!

Ahem

The health premium
The HST
The Electonic Recycling fee.
The increased provincial gas tax.
Higher land transfer taxes.

Just a quick comment before I leave this thread again, as I'm not in the mood to talk politics.

Do any of you Lib-bashers think that for a second if the roles were reversed, the Cons wouldn't be forcing an election every chance they got?

I won't disagree with Dalton needing to go....it feels like he's been premiere for ever.

Like I said...I am all for many CPC ideas....I just don't trust Harper...I never have and I never will.

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Originally posted by The Ear Just a quick comment before I leave this thread again, as I'm not in the mood to talk politics. Do any of you Lib-bashers think that for a second if the roles were reversed, the Cons wouldn't be forcing an election every chance they got?

hell...even when Harper was in power he took every chance he could to get an election called.

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Originally posted by The Ear Just a quick comment before I leave this thread again, as I'm not in the mood to talk politics. Do any of you Lib-bashers think that for a second if the roles were reversed, the Cons wouldn't be forcing an election every chance they got?

Mr. Matt your point is very well taken. But I think the point of true contreversy here is one simple thing: timing.

Simply put, bad timing. Let the government do what it has to to get the economy back up on its feet, while doing so, the Liberals still have the option to keep a very close eye over the CPC. I think calling an election now will sway alot of voters to conduct protest voting. And there will be another record low voter turnout. Taxpayer money could be much better spent than on stupid partisan politics.

Unlike Harper's last election call, at least the purpose of this one would be to bring about a change in gov't.

I'm ambvalent right now as to whether there is an imminent "need" for a change or whether this is ideal timing for the Liberals...but I think everyone knows my thoughts on Harper. This hypocrite and fraud should have been turfed long ago, IMHO.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I'm not sure about the Bloc but the NDP is polling lower then last election... so they are unlikely to win anything out of this.

everything is fair game once election gets called though

I mean, no one really thought John Tory would screw up so bad and let Dalton get reelected

If Taliban Jack plays his cards carefully, he can pick up a lot of disgruntled voters...

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