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Congressman warns of dictatorship

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What an idiot.

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Originally posted by Krypton What an idiot.

doesn't seem too far fetched to me... considering he has more czars now than appointed cabinet members, who are not subject to confirmation approval, and have no accountability to anyone other than Obama.

We've been heading for a dictatorship for well over a half century now.

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Originally posted by The17sss doesn't seem too far fetched to me...

that's because youre a moronic partisan hack. grow the fuck up ffs.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN that's because youre a moronic partisan hack. grow the fuck up ffs.

Are you going to give reasons why you oppose The17sss's point of view or are you just going to continue calling him names, like you do in every other post? It doesn't really help support your position, if you even have one on the issue.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Are you going to give reasons why you oppose The17sss's point of view or are you just going to continue calling him names, like you do in every other post? It doesn't really help support your position, if you even have one on the issue.

I don�t really see the point (or need) to respond intelligently to such an outrageous position from TA�s favourite anti-obama hate campaigner. But, since you asked�

Since we just got rid of the most oppressive, sneaky and underhanded administration the US has seen since ive been alive, I think it�s a little strange to be saying that the new admin is even worse than the last (the17sss has HORRIBLE partisan issues he needs to deal with).

Either you guys think that your constitution is valid and a successful constraint against tyranny, or you don�t. has obama dissolved congress? The supreme court? All state governments?

Criticise him for his policies all you like, when you�re actually accurate I will probably even agree with you. but talking about �dictatorships� is clearly ludicrous (assuming you guys actually know what �dictatorship� actually means)

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I don�t really see the point (or need) to respond intelligently to such an outrageous position from TA�s favourite anti-obama hate campaigner. But, since you asked� Since we just got rid of the most oppressive, sneaky and underhanded administration the US has seen since ive been alive, I think it�s a little strange to be saying that the new admin is even worse than the last (the17sss has HORRIBLE partisan issues he needs to deal with). Either you guys think that your constitution is valid and a successful constraint against tyranny, or you don�t. has obama dissolved congress? The supreme court? All state governments? Criticise him for his policies all you like, when you�re actually accurate I will probably even agree with you. but talking about �dictatorships� is clearly ludicrous (assuming you guys actually know what �dictatorship� actually means)

Again, you really haven't said much here, in substance that is. All you did was rant and rave about the opposite view being wrong without giving any clear evidence as to why you think so. Try again, seriously. I am always interested in the opposite point of view of my own but I can't take it seriously if it is only going to consist of ranting and raving.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Again, you really haven't said much here, in substance that is. All you did was rant and rave about the opposite view being wrong without giving any clear evidence as to why you think so. Try again, seriously. I am always interested in the opposite point of view of my own but I can't take it seriously if it is only going to consist of ranting and raving.

i ranted and raved in response to the original article's ranting and raving, in which he made absolutely no headway in illustrating that obama is heading for dictatorship. why am i expected to do more?

i DID give clear evidence. i asked you whether obama had done things (dissolved congress, the supreme court, state governments) that are a pre-requisite for dictatorship. has he done any of these? how can you label anything a "dictatorship" if the cornerstones of your republic still exist in the same way they've always existed?

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Are you going to give reasons why you oppose The17sss's point of view or are you just going to continue calling him names, like you do in every other post? It doesn't really help support your position, if you even have one on the issue.

Reasons?

- being afraid that a few people (czars) appointed by Obama have supposedly no accountability, but being perfectly fine that as we have seen nobody under bush (including the bush appointed czars) has yet to be held accountable to anything.
- being afraid that the awful influence of obama would stop pointing their assault weapons at immigrants at border crossings and/or deer hunting at the woods but would instead start pointing them at other freedom loving americans who do not want socialism in their country
-as far as the media goes...republicans have the worlds most fair and balanced network on their side, what media control?

All in all, everything that the person in the article is afraid that Obama might do, Bush alredy did...but i guess thats okay because he is a republican.

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Originally posted by Moongoose Reasons? - being afraid that a few people (czars) appointed by Obama have supposedly no accountability, but being perfectly fine that as we have seen nobody under bush (including the bush appointed czars) has yet to be held accountable to anything. - being afraid that the awful influence of obama would stop pointing their assault weapons at immigrants at border crossings and/or deer hunting at the woods but would instead start pointing them at other freedom loving americans who do not want socialism in their country -as far as the media goes...republicans have the worlds most fair and balanced network on their side, what media control? All in all, everything that the person in the article is afraid that Obama might do, Bush alredy did...but i guess thats okay because he is a republican.

Keep in mind, there are a lot of people out there, myself included, who agree with everything you just said. Remember that there are also people who don't see Americans as just Republican or Democrat either. Strip the Republican name tag from Bush and Democrat name tag from Obama and all I see is two very bad presidents who pushed for the same agenda.

I dont mind staying clear of the republican and democrat tags, since they have been both butchered beyond recognition by this point.

However some dont see beyond that, and i find it shameful that the same acts that they heavily supported while they were being carried out by the previous administration, they now furiously oppose because apparently now that the democrats are carrying them out, there is potential for abuse, even though we saw plenty of that when the republicans were in power.


Also I would argue that while it may seem that obama is pushing a similar agenda, he is working from a very different place than bush, and in the end that can make all the difference. Keep in mind, youre already heavily in debt which keeps increasing by the second, youre in war, your health system is failing, your financial system is barely holding together, i wont even touch upon the education (lets just say that apparently 18% of america thinks that the sun revolves around the earth )...considering all that how much worse can anything Obama does really be?

^You protest too much about things of which you are apparently not aware. It's pretty funny because just recently the incoming President of the Canadian Medical Association said their socialist health care system is facing implosion and this is the direction in which we're expected to move? Obama's plan is to push something through that the CBO (Congressional Budgetary Office) has already said will balloon the deficit even higher, thereby putting a greater tax burden on the whole country with questionable benefit (so yes, the current President could very well make a currently dire situation much worse).

Obama's black, he must be the new Mobutu Sese Seko, right?

Using the words dictator and socialism in American political discourse these days is akin to wearing a big button that says "I'm an uneducated muppet."

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Originally posted by The17sss doesn't seem too far fetched to me... considering he has more czars now than appointed cabinet members, who are not subject to confirmation approval, and have no accountability to anyone other than Obama.

Trying to reform healthcare equals a coming dictatorship!? LOLZZZZZZ

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Keep in mind, there are a lot of people out there, myself included, who agree with everything you just said. Remember that there are also people who don't see Americans as just Republican or Democrat either. Strip the Republican name tag from Bush and Democrat name tag from Obama and all I see is two very bad presidents who pushed for the same agenda.

Oh please, that is absolutely fucking ridiculous and you know it. It is a popular thing these days, to hate on presidents just because you can. How has Obama miserably failed his agenda fucking 6 months into his presidency??

George Bush was a catastrophic president, and everyone who isn't a partisan hack agrees. Obama hasn't been anywhere near as bad, unless you call trying to fix a failed economy being a bad president

Here are a few things ol' W did, and let's compare them to the things Obama has done while in office:

1. Circumventing the constitution through warrantless wiretapping, destruction of habeas corpus, and trying to quietly remove the separation between church and state. Why would a "born again christian" feel the need to start a war because God told him to?
2. Detaining and torturing Iraqi prisoners in ways that are illegal according to the Geneva Convention.
3. Completely losing the trust of the American people.
4. Started 2 wars and put the country in tremendous debt. Before the republican posters here start to ream me for saying that Bush put in a lot of debt while Obama is doing a lot more must tell me what good Bush's 3 trillion dollars did. Did he invest all of the money he spent while he was in office on things that could help the American people, or did he spend it on putting more troops in Iraq?

Seriously, get fucked, Bush defenders.

I have no interest in debate here. However, I do find it a bit funny that at this stage of his presidency, Obama's approval ratings are already below those of Bush at the same time period (and it's not even 9/11 yet). The bloom is coming off the rose rather quickly and I think that's a large part of the panic rush to push through all of this major new legislation (whose ultimate passage I am becoming more and more skeptical of each day).

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Originally posted by Shakka I have no interest in debate here. However, I do find it a bit funny that at this stage of his presidency, Obama's approval ratings are already below those of Bush at the same time period (and it's not even 9/11 yet). The bloom is coming off the rose rather quickly and I think that's a large part of the panic rush to push through all of this major new legislation (whose ultimate passage I am becoming more and more skeptical of each day).

Agreed in part. On one hand, Congress is jamming bills down each others throats and Obama seems to almost be rushing his agenda. The stimulus has had a hard time taking off, at least as far as trying to immediately fix the economic problem. Government funds aren't getting distributed quickly enough, thus not bringing back jobs like they want. Health care is obviously a huge problem, but it seems like nobody in the entire country understands how it's going to work.

Approval ratings are hard to judge by, since nothing has started to "work" yet. I read a news story yesterday that talked about how Americans are still spending like they're in a deep recession. The economy is recovering, but once Americans feel like the economy is booming again, Obama will have slipping approval numbers. All his ideas just need to work, and people seem to think they won't, that's the problem.

Well to be fair, there aren't a lot of people who hate conservative white guys on principle.

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Originally posted by ziptnf All his ideas just need to work, and people seem to think they won't, that's the problem.

Because...there is that possiblity they won't work? How are you so sure they will and that the American public is so ignorant of the Messiah's genius?

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Originally posted by Nostalgic Because...there is that possiblity they won't work? How are you so sure they will and that the American public is so ignorant of the Messiah's genius?

Obama is a MAN not a MESSIAH, which is something that I've always stood by. There is a chance it won't work, and there's a chance it will work, so in the meantime I'm gonna keep my glass half full.

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Originally posted by The17sss doesn't seem too far fetched to me... considering he has more czars now than appointed cabinet members, who are not subject to confirmation approval, and have no accountability to anyone other than Obama.

Are you really that fucking dumb?

You think because he appointed a few czars to help him run his government, that we're on the road to dictatorship and fascist rule?

Seriously?




I thought it was fucking retarded when liberals were calling George Bush a fascist/dictator/whathaveyou, and I think it is equally ridiculous to see folks on the right do exactly the same thing. It's a mechanism, a reaction that deflects from actually discussing issues and policy in earnest, and it is fucking laughable to anyone with an education who has studied fascism, dictators and world history to a minimum extent.

Obama and the Democrats should completely forget about the Republicans just as Bush and the Republicans completely ignored the Democrats. The Republicans entire vested interest is preventing Obama and the Democrats from any healthcare reform which would inevitably lead to another Democrat election win. Fuck the GOP, seriously.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Using the words dictator and socialism in American political discourse these days is akin to wearing a big button that says "I'm an uneducated muppet."

mark shields on the news hour today :

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First of all, there are people who are conspiracy -- conspiracy buffs. They're more than buffs. They are addicted to it. The state Republican Party of Florida said they did not want the children to have to listen to the president lecture them on his socialist agenda, the schoolchildren in that state. They stood up because he was going to tell why he was going to tax people who create jobs and take money away from them. I mean, it's just -- Jim, these are people in another galaxy. They are another planet. That's part of the problem.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/poli...ooks_09-04.html

man i love that show and especially that segment. good work america.

So fucking what? What are any of you going to do about it?

Well I'll just vote for the right guy next time, hurrrrrrrrr.

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