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Posted by Domesticated on Sep-14-2009 03:18:

Deaf, dumb, blind.

Imagine for a second that a child was born deaf, blind, mute and with no sense of touch, taste or smell.

Provided continued existence, do you think this child would develop human-level intelligence and come to question the nature of their existence and location? Or would the absolute absence of external stimulus prevent them from doing anything but existing like an animal?


Posted by Vivid Boy on Sep-14-2009 03:18:

i think they would jerk off alot.


Posted by denys envy on Sep-14-2009 03:20:

what is it with you and jerking off tonight, eric?


Posted by Sunsnail on Sep-14-2009 03:21:

I think its development would be limited without language


Posted by Domesticated on Sep-14-2009 03:21:

They have no proprioception either.

As far as they know, they have no body.


Posted by Vivid Boy on Sep-14-2009 03:21:

i have no clue. btw. i made that comment on your facebook and im going to erase it i didnt realize it was facebook haha.


Posted by iTranscendence on Sep-14-2009 03:22:

Without sensory perception how would you define the fact that you actually existed.


Posted by denys envy on Sep-14-2009 03:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Vivid Boy
i have no clue. btw. i made that comment on your facebook and im going to erase it i didnt realize it was facebook haha.


lol.


Posted by simplcake on Sep-14-2009 03:22:

Re: Deaf, dumb, blind.

quote:
Originally posted by Domesticated
Imagine for a second that a child was born deaf, blind, mute and with no sense of touch, taste or smell.

Provided continued existence,


thats fucked up


Posted by Domesticated on Sep-14-2009 03:23:

quote:
Originally posted by iTranscendence
Without sensory perception how would you define the fact that you actually existed.


Exactly my point. I think this has potential to be an interesting discussion.

Could the brain even function without any kind of sensory input? I have a feeling that guy on here who studied neuroscience is going to come and answer this question definitively and ruin the discussion.


Posted by yukii on Sep-14-2009 03:28:

i like this thought, similar to one of the books im reading, it asked, if you're riding a train how would you know it's in motion if your windows are covered and you don't feel your surroundings like your back against the chair, your feet on the floor, etc.. you could be stationary, and you could be in motion..

as far as being blind, deaf, mute, and without his senses.. i don't know how else it would realize it's own existence or experience anything.. the mind gets stimulated when you're young bc of the stimuli around you, without that, then i guess that person would be the equivalent of a piece of broccoli


Posted by iTranscendence on Sep-14-2009 03:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Domesticated
Exactly my point. I think this has potential to be an interesting discussion.

Could the brain even function without any kind of sensory input? I have a feeling that guy on here who studied neuroscience is going to come
and answer this question definitively and ruin the discussion.


I've pondered on this question for many years. The only thing that defines the corporeal from the ethereal is our ability to perceive it. Matter is merely super condensed energy, so from where does all this energy flow.


Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Sep-14-2009 04:09:

I don't know, but he'd sure play a mean pinball.


Posted by shaw on Sep-14-2009 04:10:

There's a charity golf event I've played in the last 2 years that's hosted by the father of 3 daughters who are blind, deaf, and dumb. they can walk, hear somewhat (courtesy of implants & hearing aids), and the older two (I think they're about 6 or 7 now) can now talk. Their sight's pretty limited, and they still need a lot of help, but most babies don't survive that condition, to begin with. If someone was born without touch, taste, or smell, either, he wouldn't survive long.


Posted by The17sss on Sep-14-2009 04:47:

has anyone not heard of Hellen Keller? jesus.


Posted by shaw on Sep-14-2009 04:50:

quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
has anyone not heard of Hellen Keller? jesus.


she's the one in as good as it gets, right?


Posted by The17sss on Sep-14-2009 04:52:


Posted by yukii on Sep-14-2009 04:52:

lol, yeah but she at least learned braille. she had some senses..


Posted by iTranscendence on Sep-14-2009 05:03:

I think that everyone who is posting examples of other people IRL are missing the entire point of this thread. NO ONE has ever not had any senses. Helen Keller was blind and deaf, the charity cases from that golf event were blind deaf and dumb, but they still had other senses.

The point of the thread was to contemplate on the concept of perception and reality, and instead you get this.

It's like someone posting a thread asking for the rarest psy-trance you can find, and you guys start posting ASOT videos.


Posted by yukii on Sep-14-2009 05:05:

kanye > isos > asot > psytrance


Posted by shaw on Sep-14-2009 05:13:

quote:
Originally posted by iTranscendence
I think that everyone who is posting examples of other people IRL are missing the entire point of this thread. NO ONE has ever not had any senses. Helen Keller was blind and deaf, the charity cases from that golf event were blind deaf and dumb, but they still had other senses.

The point of the thread was to contemplate on the concept of perception and reality, and instead you get this.

It's like someone posting a thread asking for the rarest psy-trance you can find, and you guys start posting ASOT videos.


well, is anyone here currently comatose? anyone here ever been comatose? care to shed some light on the subject?


Posted by iTranscendence on Sep-14-2009 05:41:

quote:
Originally posted by yukii
kanye > isos > asot > psytrance


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Sep-14-2009 05:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Domesticated
Could the brain even function without any kind of sensory input?

Not really. People go insane without sensory input and start hallucinating nonsense and nightmares. Even mere solitary confinement in the dark, which takes away only sight, most social contact, and a lot of sound, drives plenty of people bonkers.



quote:
Provided continued existence, do you think this child would develop human-level intelligence and come to question the nature of their existence and location? Or would the absolute absence of external stimulus prevent them from doing anything but existing like an animal?

They would not even exist like a non-human animal. Even animals require sensory stimuli for full neural development.


Posted by Domesticated on Sep-14-2009 05:51:

Re: Deaf, dumb, blind.

quote:
Originally posted by inconspicuous
There's a charity golf event I've played in the last 2 years that's hosted by the father of 3 daughters who are blind, deaf, and dumb. they can walk, hear somewhat (courtesy of implants & hearing aids), and the older two (I think they're about 6 or 7 now) can now talk. Their sight's pretty limited, and they still need a lot of help, but most babies don't survive that condition, to begin with. If someone was born without touch, taste, or smell, either, he wouldn't survive long.


quote:
Originally posted by Domesticated
Provided continued existence, do you think this child would develop human-level intelligence and come to question the nature of their existence and location?


quote:
Originally posted by iTranscendence
I think that everyone who is posting examples of other people IRL are missing the entire point of this thread. NO ONE has ever not had any senses. Helen Keller was blind and deaf, the charity cases from that golf event were blind deaf and dumb, but they still had other senses.


This.


Posted by Domesticated on Sep-14-2009 05:55:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Not really. People go insane without sensory input and start hallucinating nonsense and nightmares. Even mere solitary confinement in the dark, which takes away only sight, most social contact, and a lot of sound, drives plenty of people bonkers.


Those people have always had sense though. I would think that losing them makes you go insane, not a complete lack of them in the first place.

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
They would not even exist like a non-human animal. Even animals require sensory stimuli for full neural development.


Why do you say that? Got a study or something?


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