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Posted by Ravist on Sep-17-2009 20:46:

Any good recommendations on headphones for studio use?

I am planning to buy a pair of headphones so I can use with Reason on my laptop, I dont want to get monitors, YET and I already have a pair of headphones that im thinking of purhcasing but need more opinions from some of the experienced users on this forum.

I'm really aiming to get a Sony MDR-7509, anyone used these before for producing or djing? One of the flaws of these headphones is that they break easily

I also hear that AKG make good studio headphones


Posted by Kysora on Sep-17-2009 21:00:

I personally use AKG K701's, absolutely no complaints. Tracks I produce solely with those hold up on studio monitors without any problem in the mixdown. Great bass response too

Only downfall is they seriously need breaking in before they start sounding good.


Posted by floyd741 on Sep-17-2009 22:10:

idk about the MDR-7509's but the 7506's are great though for producing you could do better (and they definitely don't break easily, they're actually very tough). AKG K240/701's have been praised a lot though I've never tried them. (plan to get K240's in the future) I would go with AKG. I've also heard good things about Fostex T50RP and Grado SR60.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Sep-17-2009 22:13:

I have both Sennheiser HD 280 and AKG K240. I like them both. At first I didn't like the AKGs because I was so used to the Sennheisers, but they are really starting to grow on me.


Posted by Ravist on Sep-17-2009 22:31:

Has anyone used the Ultrasone pro 900 headphones? i like the sound of the S-logic technology and the ULE technology.


Posted by EgosXII on Sep-18-2009 01:02:

akg range is generally the way to go with studio headphones..

provide the most natural sound..

sony make dj headphones, what you'll be needing for production is quite different. not to say they're horrible, but probably not te best option.

akg k240s are a great studio-standard, or you could go up a level and get the 701s..


Posted by cryophonik on Sep-18-2009 01:32:

I love my BeyerDynamics DT880Pro's - semi-open back design, comfortable, pretty accurate, blah, blah, blah.


Posted by Ravist on Sep-18-2009 02:13:

ok what about comparing the Ultrasone pro 900 to the AKG 701? has anyone used both? or at least the ultrasone 900's?


Posted by DJ_Rafnel on Sep-18-2009 02:17:

Sony MDR-7506s...

100 bucks, amazing quality, backed my many pro producers

end of story.


Posted by floyd741 on Sep-18-2009 12:14:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ_Rafnel
Sony MDR-7506s...

100 bucks, amazing quality, backed my many pro producers

end of story.


normally I would agree with you but for production I would go with something open. Sound quality is usually better since closed eadphones tend to make the mids a little muddy.

7506's are amazing though.


Posted by Beyer on Sep-18-2009 12:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Kysora
I personally use AKG K701's, absolutely no complaints. Tracks I produce solely with those hold up on studio monitors without any problem in the mixdown. Great bass response too

Only downfall is they seriously need breaking in before they start sounding good.


+1 These are: mine have been played for 200+ hours now..


Posted by Waza on Sep-18-2009 14:09:

quote:
Originally posted by floyd741
normally I would agree with you but for production I would go with something open. Sound quality is usually better since closed eadphones tend to make the mids a little muddy.

7506's are amazing though.



ok so i need to get a pair of headphones now so is open headphones better for producing than closed if so why?


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Sep-18-2009 14:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Waza
ok so i need to get a pair of headphones now so is open headphones better for producing than closed if so why?

Pretty sure it is widely agreed among engineers that a pair of open phones will be more accurate than a similarly priced closed pair since the sound will not be resonating inside the earcup. Of course, if noise is an issue or if you are recording into a mic while headphone monitoring you may want to get a closed or "semi-open" like the AKG K240.


Posted by Waza on Sep-18-2009 14:26:

thanks for that mrjivebojingles that makes sense.


Posted by DJ RANN on Sep-18-2009 16:07:

I have two opinions on this.

Closed back are superb for sound design and really intricate details on sounds, however they are more difficult for accurate mixing due to promximity effect.

Open back are better for mixing levels of discreet tracks or sounds but not as accurate for detail of indvidual sounds.

For closed back, I have tried them all, and swear by my Sony MDR 7509HD.

But I am probably going to pick up some AKG701's for mixing accuracy when I can't use my monitors.


Posted by Waza on Sep-18-2009 16:15:

well i'll be doing my final mix on my monitors but i do like to get as close as possible, so i don't have to redo all the volume automations etc.

those Sony MDR-7509HD sure look nice and i like the 50mm diameter drive unit.

Dj Rann how long is the cable for these.


Posted by echosystm on Sep-19-2009 01:30:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
Closed back are superb for sound design and really intricate details on sounds, however they are more difficult for accurate mixing due to promximity effect.

Open back are better for mixing levels of discreet tracks or sounds but not as accurate for detail of indvidual sounds.


Where did you get this idea from? I've never heard this. AFAIK, closed headphones always sounds less accurate because of the reflections that happen inside the earcup. Likewise, bass becomes muddy and completely loses it's tightness for the same reason. This is very noticeable in Sennheiser HD280s, for example. Open headphones obviously don't have this problem. Closed headphones generally can have deeper bass, but it's not "real bass", it's just boosted by the earcup. I am of the understanding that closed headphones are only good in DJing or live recording circumstances that require isolation.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Sep-19-2009 02:32:

quote:
Originally posted by echosystm
AFAIK, closed headphones always sounds less accurate because of the reflections that happen inside the earcup. Likewise, bass becomes muddy and completely loses it's tightness for the same reason. This is very noticeable in Sennheiser HD280s, for example.

Personally I find it easy to get bass that sounds tight in my closed Sennheiser HD 280s, but when I move over to monitors or semi-open headphones, it may sound muddy. IMO closed headphones just do not give a very accurate reflection of bass. In the case of the Sennheisers, they can make it sound tighter than it really is.


Posted by DJ RANN on Sep-19-2009 09:57:

I can hear more detail on my 7509HD's than my monitors - bass is not accurate in terms of level (and possibly fullness) but it is very good in terms of detail (timbre etc.). Mids and hi's sound incredibly detailed (nearly misleadingly) but I like the fact I can hear sounds incredibly clearly on them. I don't quite find the same level of detail with other closed headphones but it's a general rule I've found from working in the studio.

All the open backs I have used have just not been able to match the clarity of my 7509HD's but I really would not be comfortable doing a final mix on them so that's where I prefer the open backs, for accurate level representation.

For instance EQ'ing on 7509HD is a joy but mixing bass levels is pain.

Waza - the cable is about 5/6 feet but it's that springy coiled one so it can go close to double that before putting strain on the connector. I've had them two years and they are flawlessly built.


Posted by Waza on Sep-19-2009 10:17:

Cheers DJ RANN i done alot of research last night and decided on getting a pair so looking forward to putting them to the test.

Yes i will use my monitors for final mix and all that stuff and always be doing an A/B test on the bass etc as i always do this. even on the cheap pair i have just now i do this as i like to know if the bass will carry on any sound system.


Posted by Zak McKracken on Sep-21-2009 17:48:

bump

I bought K240S just now but come to think... what is the S? is it a new version? I payd 90USD for it.


Posted by Sonic_c on Sep-21-2009 17:52:

sessheiser hd25's all the way


Posted by johncannons1 on Sep-22-2009 04:40:

Re: Any good recommendations on headphones for studio use?

quote:
Originally posted by Ravist
I am planning to buy a pair of headphones so I can use with Reason on my laptop, I dont want to get monitors, YET and I already have a pair of headphones that im thinking of purhcasing but need more opinions from some of the experienced users on this forum.

I'm really aiming to get a Sony MDR-7509, anyone used these before for producing or djing? One of the flaws of these headphones is that they break easily

I also hear that AKG make good studio headphones


Senheiser (not sure if i spelt that right.)
HD-25s


Posted by thecYrus on Sep-22-2009 05:26:

AKG 701
AKG 702
HD 595
HD 600
HD 650
...


Posted by EgosXII on Sep-22-2009 05:43:

quote:
Originally posted by palm
bump

I bought K240S just now but come to think... what is the S? is it a new version? I payd 90USD for it.


there's like 3 versions of the 240 headphone range:
k242hd
k240 MKII
and k240S (which i thought they stopped selling now and replaced with the 242s)

they're all the same, but have slightly different designs (242s are different colour, MKIIs have replaceable cables and earpads)..


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