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Posted by Stef on Sep-20-2009 17:26:

Does TA believe in "the right to die"

I guess this goes out to mostly the USA TAs but i was wondering what everyone thought.

"The term "right to die" refers to various issues related to the decision of whether an individual who could continue to live with the aid of life support, or in a diminished or enfeebled capacity, should be allowed to die. In some cases, it refers to the idea that a person with a terminal illness and in serious condition should be allowed to commit suicide before death would otherwise occur. The concept is often referred to as dying with dignity. The question of who�if anyone�should be empowered to make these decisions is often central to the debate."


So does Ta believe in the right to die?


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Sep-20-2009 17:29:

God said it. I believe it. That settles it.


Posted by ziptnf on Sep-20-2009 17:33:

******** has spoken. There is no more need for discussion.


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Sep-20-2009 17:36:

William, I want you to tell me of the Bauharoque.


Posted by yukii on Sep-20-2009 17:44:

Re: Does TA believe in "the right to die"

quote:
Originally posted by Stef
So does Ta believe in the right to die?


yes.


Posted by floyd741 on Sep-20-2009 17:59:

If you want to die you should be able to die. It's as simple as that (though I'm sure many would say it's not).


Posted by MeLLyMeL on Sep-20-2009 18:18:

it depends.

I get more upset that the husband gets all the right to chose if the wife should die or not, over immediate family.

If it's the person's sole decision then I would definitely back them as it is their life and their choice. (even if I may not agree with it)

It's such a touchy & depressing subject.


Posted by RandomGirl on Sep-20-2009 18:38:

quote:
Originally posted by floyd741
If you want to die you should be able to die. It's as simple as that (though I'm sure many would say it's not).


+1

I can't imagine having to suffer through cancer or some other terminal illness right up until the point my body simply gives up. If the person is willing and has access to an injection to let them pass pleasantly, why not?

I would rather my loved ones enjoy their last moments. Why not let them have it?


Posted by Silky Johnson on Sep-20-2009 18:57:

I believe in doing whatever is best for the patient. Primary emphasis in patient care is given to the right to choose, so if the patient is of the capacity to make that decision for his/herself, then their wishes should be honored.

Now, these types of ethical dilemmas get tricky when you consider that the term 'patient' is meant to include family members as well, and that bioethics is firmly rooted in utilitarianism.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Sep-20-2009 19:00:

It also gets tricky in cases where the patient wants to die but does not actually have the power to kill himself. Should medical personnel or family members be legally forced to kill such a patient for the sake of "honoring the right to die?"


Posted by Silky Johnson on Sep-20-2009 19:08:

edit: bah, gimme a minute, lol.


Posted by Silky Johnson on Sep-20-2009 19:27:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
It also gets tricky in cases where the patient wants to die but does not actually have the power to kill himself. Should medical personnel or family members be legally forced to kill such a patient for the sake of "honoring the right to die?"






Yeah, I think using the word "forced" detracts from what a physician's duty actually is, and implies the consideration of personal values and beliefs. Physicians are seen as obligated to achieve the best possible health care outcome based on the 4 principles of bioethics - autonomy, beneficence, non-maleficence, and justice. I don't see what any of that has to do with one's personal beliefs on the matter.

Again, autonomy takes precedence. It is the foundation of current patient care. Not saying that makes it black and white...but I mean, how the physician feels about it is irrelevant.


Posted by Slylee on Sep-20-2009 20:42:

yes i do. it's my fucking body and if i want to die, fuck off and let me die.


Posted by lenazi on Sep-20-2009 20:45:

people should be allowed the choice to not suffer.

i always laugh at people that are against this, because they think it is ok to euthanize an animal in pain because it is the right thing to do....but grandma should be forced to live 3 years attached to a machine even if she does not want to be.


Posted by Slylee on Sep-20-2009 20:48:

my uncle just recently died from cancer. he was in his 50s. i can't even begin to tell you how sad it was to see him almost 100 lbs thinner and completely bald and pale the last time i saw him. my dad recently told me that at one point during his chemo, he called my dad crying and telling my dad to go there and clean up the mess for after he shoots himself so my grandma wouldn't find him. he wanted to kill himself. i would have totally understood/been happy if he had.


Posted by lenazi on Sep-20-2009 20:54:

i'll go further and extend that people who do not have terminal illness and do not wish to be alive should have the right to die too.

i never got how the law makes people that try suicide and fail be able to get arrested for it. Great idea, let's waste tax money to try and "help" someone who doesn't want it. I say give him a gun with one bullet in it.


Posted by Spam on Sep-20-2009 21:01:

quote:
Originally posted by lenazi
i'll go further and extend that people who do not have terminal illness and do not wish to be alive should have the right to die too.

i never got how the law makes people that try suicide and fail be able to get arrested for it. Great idea, let's waste tax money to try and "help" someone who doesn't want it. I say give him a gun with one bullet in it.


Nah, two. Just in case.


Posted by lenazi on Sep-20-2009 21:03:

as long as obama does not raise my taxes for the extra bullet imo.


Posted by Lira on Sep-21-2009 00:15:

quote:
Originally posted by floyd741
If you want to die you should be able to die. It's as simple as that (though I'm sure many would say it's not).

Indeed. I've got nothing against suicide anyway, so there's no reason why I'd be opposed to this.


Posted by lenazi on Sep-21-2009 00:17:

the national socialist part condones suicide, and alas i stick to the party line.


Posted by chimera66 on Sep-21-2009 01:07:

quote:
Originally posted by lenazi
people should be allowed the choice to not suffer.


+1

although what is to suffer? some people are over dramatic and think losing their job and not being able to cover their debits is suffering. a friend of mine had a friend who killed himself because he lost his job and recently got divorced. his wife found out he was cheating on her so no surprise she was gonna walk. anyway, he left a young child and his ex-wife and family to take care of all his shit. that imo is taking one's pity party too far.


Posted by Slylee on Sep-21-2009 01:08:

quote:
Originally posted by chimera66
+1

although what is to suffer? some people are over dramatic and think losing their job and not being able to cover their debits is suffering. a friend of mine had a friend who killed himself because he lost his job and recently got divorced. his wife found out he was cheating on her so no surprise she was gonna walk. anyway, he left a young child and his ex-wife and family to take care of all his shit. that imo is taking one's pity party too far.


yea for sure man the fuck up


Posted by lenazi on Sep-21-2009 01:09:

you don't pity yourself when you are planted in the earth.

if someone wants to die, let them die. If they are only doing it because they want attention, kill them.


Posted by Silky Johnson on Sep-21-2009 01:12:

People who REALLY want to kill themselves/die will be successful. Those people usually don't tell anyone about it or make a fuss about it.


Posted by chimera66 on Sep-21-2009 01:15:

well if they want to die they should do it without adversely affecting others imo...sounds cold but death is the last step. if you are on death's door and in pain i say do what is going to be best but being sad is not a good reason to die.


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