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Posted by Shakka on Sep-23-2009 14:24:

You can't do anything positive without pissing someone off.

Asinine. I guess we should just have the government subsidize the tolls for minorities, because that clearly would NOT constitute racism!

quote:

Arlington: Race a Factor in HOT Lanes

Updated: Monday, 21 Sep 2009, 6:46 PM EDT
Published : Monday, 21 Sep 2009, 6:40 PM EDT

* Sherri Ly Sherri Ly
* By SHERRI LY/myfoxdc

ARLINGTON, Va. - There's a new turn in the debate over high occupancy toll lanes or HOT lanes.

A lawsuit filed by Arlington County last month claims the lanes benefit wealthy white people and discriminates against minorities. While the only rule to get in the HOV lanes on Interstate 395 is you must have three people in the car, Arlington claims adding HOT lanes would cut out poor and minorities by defacto.

That claim doesn't sit well with Fairfax County Supervisor Pat Herrity (R-Springfield).

"I don't think race or class warfare has any standing in this argument," Herrity said.

Buried in the lawsuit filed last month, county attorneys argued the HOT lanes, "encourage and enable a financially-able, privileged class of suburban and rural, primarily Caucasian residents from Stafford and Spotsylvania counties operating single occupancy vehicles ("SOV") unimpeded access on toll lanes."

In other words, it benefits wealthy white people.

A few pages later, the suit claims the Federal Highway Administration and the Virginia Department of Transportation failed to do the proper environmental analysis and that "their actions also constituted civil rights violations as they discriminated against minority and low income communities."

Arlington County Chair Barbara Favola says the race issue only arose because the environmental review includes socioeconomic impact.

"It is not our intention to play a race card. I think that's a very divisive approach," Favola told FOX5.

Before filing the lawsuit, she says, the board never actually discussed race as a factor and that air quality has always been the chief issue.
"We were concerned about everybody being affected by the project. We thought congestion was not going to be significantly reduced," Favola said.

Instead, the board believed the HOT lanes could increase traffic, making pollution even worse.

The discrimination claim may be shaky ground for Arlington. The latest U.S. Census numbers show Arlington's population is 80 percent white as of 2008 with a median household income in 2007 of $92,345. The percentage of whites was higher than Fairfax, Prince William, Stafford or Spotsylvania Counties, which are along the HOT lane corridor. Arlington was also wealthier than all but Fairfax County, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

Supporters of HOT lanes say people focus too much on the tolls and forget the project also includes money to study bus rapid transit (BRT) and additional park and ride lots.

"Clearly minority and low income people could benefit because it provides an opportunity for car pooling and mass transit," Herrity said.

Even with HOT lanes, high-occupancy vehicles still drive free.

Before the lawsuit was filed, VDOT put the I-395/I-95 HOT lanes on hold because of financial difficulties and concerns in the community. But transportation officials have always said that's only temporary.



http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/local/092109_arlington_race_a_factor_in_hot_lanes


Posted by ziptnf on Sep-23-2009 16:17:

I don't get it, what's the point of these lanes? To reduce traffic? So cars with 3 or more people get to pay to drive on road that has less traffic? I don't see why 3 black people can't rustle up a few dollars or whatever the toll is to pay it


Posted by ziptnf on Sep-23-2009 16:19:

Everyone is so quick to pull the race card these days. Having Obama in office hasn't helped race relations at all, last week white people all over America bitched about that white kid getting his ass kicked on the bus, forgetting the fact that they're fucking middle schoolers and no matter who you are, if you talk shit to a black kid you're gonna get beat up. Now black people are complaining because they don't get to drive on the section of the highway with less traffic? Lame.


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Sep-23-2009 16:57:

quote:
Originally posted by ziptnf
I don't get it, what's the point of these lanes? To reduce traffic? So cars with 3 or more people get to pay to drive on road that has less traffic? I don't see why 3 black people can't rustle up a few dollars or whatever the toll is to pay it


Less cars means less pollution. That pretty much benefits everyone.

And this is so much horseshit, might as well file a suit against money because it is an innately unfair thing that some people just don't have enough of it.


Posted by ziptnf on Sep-23-2009 17:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
And this is so much horseshit, might as well file a suit against money because it is an innately unfair thing that some people just don't have enough of it.


Posted by Communist on Sep-23-2009 17:14:

Everyone should have equal access to all the lanes.


Posted by ziptnf on Sep-23-2009 17:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Communist
Everyone should have equal access to all the lanes.

Lol whose alt is this?


Posted by Communist on Sep-23-2009 17:18:

What is an alt? I'v been reading this forum for a few weeks and thought I'd chime in on the politics.


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Sep-23-2009 17:56:

It's Krypton, with yet another alt bas is going to happily ban should he step foot into the cor.


Posted by ziptnf on Sep-23-2009 18:34:



It makes sense now, with the username and all


Posted by Shakka on Sep-23-2009 18:46:

quote:
Originally posted by ziptnf
... and no matter who you are, if you talk shit to a black kid you're gonna get beat up.



Bwahahah! Please tell me this was on purpose.


Posted by ziptnf on Sep-23-2009 18:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Bwahahah! Please tell me this was on purpose.

Maybe it was too big of a generalization but I went to public schools with plenty of black kids, and they got into fights with white kids all the time. They may have not always kicked ass but they at least tried to


Posted by jerZ07002 on Sep-23-2009 20:48:

quote:
Originally posted by ziptnf
Maybe it was too big of a generalization but I went to public schools with plenty of black kids, and they got into fights with white kids all the time. They may have not always kicked ass but they at least tried to


my experience with black kids was that if you aren't intimidated by them, they tend to be intimidated by you. It's the intimidation factor they thrive on. Most black dudes are real easy to punk out if they aren't among a huge group of guys. They also thrive on mob mentality shit.


Posted by Communist on Sep-23-2009 21:19:

Racists!


Posted by yukii on Sep-23-2009 23:36:

that was fast lol



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