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big riffs and who likes them?

well me for a start hehe,but as most people here i listen to a lot of tunes and you rarely hear a track with them in it.

i think people underestimate the power they can make to a track
some of the big guns have made a name for them selfs m.i.k.e airwave sean tyas ect

so i say bring back the riffs

What the hell are you talking about? You mean the 3-minute-long breakdowns? We've already got more than enough of those, thanks.

You mean like in this track ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMnpBqMY0-U

YES!!!

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Originally posted by Subtle You mean like in this track ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMnpBqMY0-U YES!!!

OMG HAVE ALWAYS LOVED THIS TRACK.

THAT BASS RIFF IS EPIC WIN!

P.S. ENTHUSIASM!!

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Originally posted by Nightshift OMG HAVE ALWAYS LOVED THIS TRACK. THAT BASS RIFF IS EPIC WIN!

HUUUUUUGE TRACK !!!!

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Originally posted by DigiNut What the hell are you talking about? You mean the 3-minute-long breakdowns? We've already got more than enough of those, thanks.

lol, agree.

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Originally posted by DigiNut What the hell are you talking about? You mean the 3-minute-long breakdowns? We've already got more than enough of those, thanks.

I don't think he's talking about those...

Are you talking about a big 16 bar melody?

Floribunda - Floribunda

Starts at 1:50

Or...

Chicane - Halcyon

Starts at 2:32

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Originally posted by Subtle HUUUUUUGE TRACK !!!!

zomg i die!11!11!

Huge, recognisable hooks are great.

There are a lot of great sounding trance songs which have no hook, and that's okay. But I do love songs with massive hooks, where you only need to hear a second or two to recognise it - songs like Ferry Corsten's "Punk", Public Domain's "Operation Blade", ATB's "9pm (til I come)" and so on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FABwjwTlKVg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5a3jB_SAEM
this tune is what i was referring to and others like it

riff is such a poorly defined term. of course there are great sounds out there that somebody might consider a riff and of course people like them. there are (this goes for anything right now) much more bad "riffs" out right now than good ones tho (by a long shot)

Big riffs?
You mean like the Sea Tides EP?

like astral projection - dancing galaxy? yeah i love them.

I love the big riffs and get pretty bored with trance tracks that don't have 'em.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley riff is such a poorly defined term. of course there are great sounds out there that somebody might consider a riff and of course people like them. there are (this goes for anything right now) much more bad "riffs" out right now than good ones tho (by a long shot)

yep defo more poor then good i guess it comes down to it being a bit out dated these days lol

So apparently "big riffs" means "long melodies", particularly longer than 4 bars. Of course, those phrases are not even close to being synonyms, but sure, they're nice to have. I would hardly say that they're rare, though; evidently you're listening to the wrong music. Almost every track I've ever produced and a great many that I listen to have long-ish melodies.

Don't get me wrong, I also hear plenty of boring repetitive tracks with no real hooks, but to me those are mostly filler dancefloor tracks.

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Originally posted by DigiNut So apparently "big riffs" means "long melodies", particularly longer than 4 bars. Of course, those phrases are not even close to being synonyms, but sure, they're nice to have. I would hardly say that they're rare, though; evidently you're listening to the wrong music. Almost every track I've ever produced and a great many that I listen to have long-ish melodies. Don't get me wrong, I also hear plenty of boring repetitive tracks with no real hooks, but to me those are mostly filler dancefloor tracks.

Not sure what you are talking about, but I consider this as a big riff and its like 2 bars long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHR2mcHKA28

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Originally posted by Subtle Not sure what you are talking about, but I consider this as a big riff and its like 2 bars long. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHR2mcHKA28

Where is the "riff", and what is "big" about it?

I think everybody here seems to be using a completely different definition of the term, and in most cases it's really just being used to mean "stuff I like".

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Originally posted by DigiNut Where is the "riff", and what is "big" about it? I think everybody here seems to be using a completely different definition of the term, and in most cases it's really just being used to mean "stuff I like".

For example if the sound used for the riff is more prominent or important than the notes of the riff itself.

I think Darude - Sandstorm has a big riff (very recognizable), but if you would play back the notes of the melody with a standard sound, its just really dull.

If the melody is more important than the sound used on the riff, it will often just sound as good or recognizable no matter which sound used to produce it.

So id say recognizable lead sound, on a less or more recognizable melody line makes a big riff, having only a recognizable melody does not.

This is how i see it anyways.

Bassline riffs > melody riffs.

imo

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Originally posted by DigiNut Where is the "riff", and what is "big" about it? I think everybody here seems to be using a completely different definition of the term, and in most cases it's really just being used to mean "stuff I like".

The Marcel Woods example does have a very distinctive lead melody/ sound. Whether it's called a riff, a hook, or just a melody - as you say, everyone has their own definitions.

But that example does capture the spirit of what this thread is talking about, in terms of "big riffs", the way I personally understand it.

I'd go more with "hook" than "big riff" though.

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Originally posted by Subtle So id say recognizable lead sound, on a less or more recognizable melody line makes a big riff, having only a recognizable melody does not. This is how i see it anyways.

How many people do you know, that aren't producers or DJs, know the basic waveforms? People don't care about that kind of stuff. They will remember lyrics, grooves, melodies, and the type of basslines that are meant to be the lead.

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Originally posted by Beatflux How many people do you know, that aren't producers or DJs, know the basic waveforms? People don't care about that kind of stuff. They will remember lyrics, grooves, melodies, and the type of basslines that are meant to be the lead.

I mean recognizable, not as in familiar.

that marcel woods track is the perfect example. its so fucking in your face, i love that track even tho its cheezy as fuck. the structure is awesome on it also, and the sound is fun.

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