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Speed increments w/ cdj's

Does anyone have the following issue when tryig to adjust the speed of a track?:

I use cdj400's w/ speed increments of 0.02
Most of the time, no matter how slowly/gently i move the slider, the speed jumps by 0.04 & it takes a while of fiddling up & down w/ the slider to get the track to a speed that i want.

Has anyone come across this?

cheerz

you just have to be real light with it, it's like when using a turntable and you want to adjust the pitch ever so slightly, you just give it a very light nudge, you don't even really need to move the slider, it's just a nudge

Re: Speed increments w/ cdj's

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Originally posted by recoil Does anyone have the following issue when tryig to adjust the speed of a track?: I use cdj400's w/ speed increments of 0.02 Most of the time, no matter how slowly/gently i move the slider, the speed jumps by 0.04 & it takes a while of fiddling up & down w/ the slider to get the track to a speed that i want. Has anyone come across this? cheerz

I use to have this same issue with my 200s. It seemed that it was worse with some tracks than others. Rather than fight with it to get it exact, I would typically just adjust the live track or just say eff it altogether and quit DJing for the rest of my life. Which leads me to now.

ahh, yes. Ive seen friends use the nudge technique, i tried to copy it but still no dice. Ive even tried tilting the slider, pushing it in all the way, pulling at it, moving it to a far off speed & bringing it back in hope of landing on the speed that i want.

hahaha
but its good to know that im not the only one with this stupid issue

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Originally posted by Ygrene just say eff it altogether and quit DJing for the rest of my life. Which leads me to now.

haha...too true.

i get that on the 800's and with a 0.05 increment I shoudl have twice the movement to get it where I want. I just take it well away from the spot I'm trying to get and try again.
annoying but you have to live with it

Just keep practicing being light with it. The best thing to do in my opinion is to take 2 tracks, and mix into and out of them over and over and over for an hour or so. But purposely mess up the pitch so you can get adjusted to getting it on fast.
Goodluck man!

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Originally posted by DJ_Rafnel Just keep practicing being light with it. The best thing to do in my opinion is to take 2 tracks, and mix into and out of them over and over and over for an hour or so. But purposely mess up the pitch so you can get adjusted to getting it on fast. Goodluck man!

YES!
That is exactly what i used to do when i first started out about half a year ago. Good call !!!
That is a great way to train the ear up w/ the different speed of 2 tracks.
But im working on syncing the tracks real fine now so as to leave the wheel alone & focus on the eq's, thus the issue w/ the super expensive pioneer ball breaker decks

You also gotta remember that some tracks do drift if not made properly. I own the first CDJ 800's and honestly, I never paid attention to the .02, .05 thing. I learned to mix with 1200's so I just play it by ear. It's more fun that way rather than trying to be all technical about it. lol

Yeah, alot of tracks on vinyl will drift over time that were ripped to digital.

As far as focusing on the EQing and letting it play without drifting goes. I would def stick with 2% if you can get it dialed in within 4%, its very simple to figure it out from there.

Best thing i could say is let it play...dont keep restarting the beatmatching process. Start the incoming track on a downbeat and let it play...dont restart the process unless its desperate. That way once u get it pretty much dialed you can make fine adjustments and see how long it stays matched over time.

If you can get it matched before the breakdown, and it comes in still matched. You should not have to worry 99 percent of the time.

If its not matched when it comes in, nudge the platter just a tad to get it back, and make your adjustment accordingly.

Also, always be ready to make fine adjustments in the mix with the platter and pitch.

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Originally posted by DjWoody You also gotta remember that some tracks do drift if not made properly. I own the first CDJ 800's and honestly, I never paid attention to the .02, .05 thing. I learned to mix with 1200's so I just play it by ear. It's more fun that way rather than trying to be all technical about it. lol

yea, keeping one hand on the wheel & both ears on the beat mismatch is more involving, but after scrutenising several 'pro' djs in action i noticed how when they mix a track in they hardly revert to the wheel, so the beats are spot on when both tracks are in.

i think that is something for me to strive for, being a punk-arse noob & all...

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Originally posted by recoil yea, keeping one hand on the wheel & both ears on the beat mismatch is more involving, but after scrutenising several 'pro' djs in action i noticed how when they mix a track in they hardly revert to the wheel, so the beats are spot on when both tracks are in. i think that is something for me to strive for, being a punk-arse noob & all...

I think you'd definitely have to agree that it has to do with track selection as well...no?

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Originally posted by Adam420 I think you'd definitely have to agree that it has to do with track selection as well...no?

Sometimes yes i agree. Other times no. It really depends, i mean sometimes, if a DJ plays songs constantly at 140bpm and each song is in its NATIVE BPM of 140, then he really doesnt have to do any work as far as beatmatching.

Its in between songs where i dont have to match them, that i find some new tunes to play, or other things, etc etc. I love those moments. More time to focus on having a great time.

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Originally posted by recoil yea, keeping one hand on the wheel & both ears on the beat mismatch is more involving, but after scrutenising several 'pro' djs in action i noticed how when they mix a track in they hardly revert to the wheel, so the beats are spot on when both tracks are in. i think that is something for me to strive for, being a punk-arse noob & all...

I actually see more DJs always keeping one hand on the pitch and constantly riding it.

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Originally posted by DJ_Rafnel Yeah, alot of tracks on vinyl will drift over time that were ripped to digital.

Even digital ones do. Load up Ableton and check the majority of your tracks. Many of them will be 127.01, 136.05, 132.03, 133.96 etc etc.

The method I use in the percentages is the beat method. 4/4 beat. A beat on the percentages is .80. A perfect beat is .40. For example lets say you have two songs. Song "A" is 135 and song "B" is 138 in its natural state. Bring song "B" down to 135 from 138 then subtract .40 from where the song originally hit 135. I've noticed that my beats don't sound mashed up or messy as long as it sounds good in my booth monitors and headphones.

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Originally posted by CDJA The method I use in the percentages is the beat method. 4/4 beat. A beat on the percentages is .80. A perfect beat is .40. For example lets say you have two songs. Song "A" is 135 and song "B" is 138 in its natural state. Bring song "B" down to 135 from 138 then subtract .40 from where the song originally hit 135. I've noticed that my beats don't sound mashed up or messy as long as it sounds good in my booth monitors and headphones.

Thats a good idea but its always a good idea to practice beatmatching without the display. Often times i cover the display with a flyer...like Above and Beyonds Halloween NYC show(for inspirational purposes hah!)

Think about it, Turntables do not have a display...it will only make you better. Its a good idea though too. Sometimes when im in a pinch, ill use the display to get me on track pretty fast but i try not to.

Your idea is pretty good though.

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Originally posted by DJ_Rafnel its always a good idea to practice beatmatching without the display. Often times i cover the display with a flyer

i did that when i started, once again u present a good tip for training up the beatmatching ear.
Personally, i try not to relly on the bpm counter in the display & want to relly on the old ear holes to do the work. But i use the display to help w/ the fine adjustments (which brought me problems & started this thread)

when u guys say "ride', do you mean adjusting the slider or adjusting the wheel? ive heard that term heaps of times but not sure exactly what it means

As far as saying "ride" goes.

When i say ride the pitch i mean like the slider.

Usually though im kinda riding both. I have seen people beat match mainly only using the slider. I honestly use both probably equually.

Its like:

1. Start cued up track on downbeat of playing track
2. Adjust with platter to get on beat
3. Adjust slider accordingly depending on how far off beat it goes
4. Adjust platter
5. Adjust slider again
6. etc etc add infinite until its on beat

So its kinda like...a happy balance of both haha.

others do it differently, i guess its finding what works for you.

With regard to the pitch slider not going where you want it to: That used to annoy the fuck out of me when I used a friends 200, made them unuseable in my eyes, and made me glad I got the 1000mk3s.

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Originally posted by recoil i did that when i started, once again u present a good tip for training up the beatmatching ear. Personally, i try not to relly on the bpm counter in the display & want to relly on the old ear holes to do the work. But i use the display to help w/ the fine adjustments (which brought me problems & started this thread) when u guys say "ride', do you mean adjusting the slider or adjusting the wheel? ive heard that term heaps of times but not sure exactly what it means

The slider.

Some people prefer not to touch the platter because you'll be interfering with the torque and accuracy. The record needs adjusting, not the platter, ya know?

I say fuck it though, with quality equipment that isn't a problem at all. Use whatever works, whether it be finger breaking or pitch bending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWa7KCFIkzM

lol

Hey guys whats a good way to practice with the slider...? I barley use it cause I don't use it well. I normally use the wheel. My beats normally start to drift but I want them to stay synced so I could eq better. Thanks alot!

Just practice and it will get better.

For all the people having problems on CDJs here is a tip.

Lets say you have 2 tracks
track 1: 125.xx
track 2: 127.xx

load up track 1 and start increasing or decreasing the pitch (moving the slider) until you see the BPM counter switch up to 126 and then stop.

load up track 2, start decreasing the pitch until you see the slider switch down to 125, now bring it back up slowly and when you see it switch up to 126 stop.

your tracks should now be lined up.
now restart track 2 on the downbeat and match it up with track 1 using the wheel.

This will work 99% of the time.

However don't rely on this, because if you play out you might not always get a perfect situation like you do at home.. So still make sure you can actually beatmatch by ear!

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict Just practice and it will get better. For all the people having problems on CDJs here is a tip. Lets say you have 2 tracks track 1: 125.xx track 2: 127.xx load up track 1 and start increasing or decreasing the pitch (moving the slider) until you see the BPM counter switch up to 126 and then stop. load up track 2, start decreasing the pitch until you see the slider switch down to 125, now bring it back up slowly and when you see it switch up to 126 stop. your tracks should now be lined up. now restart track 2 on the downbeat and match it up with track 1 using the wheel. This will work 99% of the time. However don't rely on this, because if you play out you might not always get a perfect situation like you do at home.. So still make sure you can actually beatmatch by ear!

Why not throw your decks in the bin and use ableton?

I noticed you could do this once, and now, if I notice I'm a few notces from any change between a beat, I'll randomly change it, cos I get more of a buzz out of beatmatching.

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