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So did you ever find the bible to be too...liberal?

Well a solution to that problem is being worked on as we speak. At first i thought this was a joke, something that the onion might post but apparently its not so, the story.

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From the Huffington Post Lo and behold, the Bible has gotten too liberal, according to a group of conservatives. And it needs a little editing. That's the inspiration behind the Conservative Bible Project, which seeks to take the text back to its supposed right-wing roots. Yes, even scripture is not orthodox enough for the modern conservative. Not that it's the fault of the author(s), exactly. The group cites a few reasons why the Bible is too progressive: "Lack of precision in the original language ... lack of precision in modern language" and "translation bias in converting the original language to the modern one." So how can the Bible be conservatized? The group has proposed a Wikipedia-like group editing project. Some of the ideas would only bring the translation closer to the original. But others would fundamentally change the text. 1. Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias 2. Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, "gender inclusive" language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity 3. Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level[3] 4. Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms: using powerful new conservative terms as they develop;[4] defective translations use the word "comrade" three times as often as "volunteer"; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as "word", "peace", and "miracle". 5. Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction by using modern terms for it, such as "gamble" rather than "cast lots";[5] using modern political terms, such as "register" rather than "enroll" for the census 6. Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil. 7. Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning 8. Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the adulteress story 9. Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples: crediting open-mindedness, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels 10. Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities; prefer concise, consistent use of the word "Lord" rather than "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or "Lord God." Among the words to be eliminated: "government." A conservative columnist at Beliefnet described the effort as "just crazy ... like what you'd get if you crossed the Jesus Seminar with the College Republican chapter at a rural institution of Bible learnin'." Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/...c_n_310037.html

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Actually, im at a loss for words, but if i were to hit my head against the wall several time, until a little brain matter cold be seen i think i could see their point of view. Helping the poor and healing the sick? Way to liberal and socialist to be in the good book.

maybe the conservatives got scared when they found out that todays youth had more faith in the lolcatbible than the old testament?

http://www.lolcatbible.com

From Genesis of the lol cat bible
1 Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem.

2 Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz.

3 At start, no has lyte. An Ceiling Cat sayz, i can haz lite? An lite wuz.4 An Ceiling Cat sawed teh lite, to seez stuffs, An splitted teh lite from dark but taht wuz ok cuz kittehs can see in teh dark An not tripz over nethin.5 An Ceiling Cat sayed light Day An dark no Day. It were FURST!!!1

6 An Ceiling Cat sayed, im in ur waterz makin a ceiling. But he no yet make a ur. An he maded a hole in teh Ceiling.7 An Ceiling Cat doed teh skiez with waterz down An waterz up. It happen.8 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has teh firmmint wich iz funny bibel naim 4 ceiling, so wuz teh twoth day.

9 An Ceiling Cat gotted all teh waterz in ur base, An Ceiling Cat hadz dry placez cuz kittehs DO NOT WANT get wet.10 An Ceiling Cat called no waterz urth and waters oshun. Iz good.

*facepalm*

This should be edited. It's way too socialist!

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Matthew 19 The Rich Young Man 16Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" 17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments." 18"Which ones?" the man inquired. Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,'[d] and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'[e]" 20"All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?" 21Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." 22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. 23Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

I just read an excellent and entertaining book about how the bible has been interpreted (or misinterpreted) over the years: http://www.amazon.com/Misquoting-Je...d/dp/0060738170

Yea, I find the lack of intellectual honesty and genuine religiosity amongst idealogues to be rather disturbing but not unexpected at all.

And yet they'd still call themselves biblical literalists.

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Originally posted by Krypton This should be edited. It's way too socialist!

How so? There's no mention of government giving the possessions of the rich to the poor. In fact, it's asking for the rich to do charity, which is a right-wing initiative, since the left just takes their money and gives it away against their will whether they give to charity or not.

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Originally posted by Spam How so? There's no mention of government giving the possessions of the rich to the poor. In fact, it's asking for the rich to do charity, which is a right-wing initiative, since the left just takes their money and gives it away against their will whether they give to charity or not.

You're right. It's religion that's dictating giving the possessions of the rich to the poor against the will of the rich (eternal jailtime vs. eternal damnation you know). Ergo religion is as bad as government?

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Originally posted by Spam How so? There's no mention of government giving the possessions of the rich to the poor. In fact, it's asking for the rich to do charity, which is a right-wing initiative, since the left just takes their money and gives it away against their will whether they give to charity or not.

Matthew 22

Paying Taxes to Caesar

15Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"
18But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, 20and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"

21"Caesar's," they replied.
Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

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Originally posted by Krypton Matthew 22 Paying Taxes to Caesar 15Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" 18But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, 20and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" 21"Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

Sorry, I wasn't aware of the fact that Ceasar was a socialist. All those beggars and lepers Jesus was helping must have been from some other country. Even the political right collects taxes from the citizenry, so I'm not sure what your point is.

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Originally posted by occrider You're right. It's religion that's dictating giving the possessions of the rich to the poor against the will of the rich (eternal jailtime vs. eternal damnation you know). Ergo religion is as bad as government?

Um no, Jesus didn't steal his possessions and give them away to the poor. He told him what he should do and allowed him to make a decision for himself. When the man walked away all depressed and shit, Jesus didn't send the IRS after him to force him to give away all his stuff, the man was left free to live his life as he chose. When one CHOOSES to follow the commandments, then they aren't being FORCED to do anything that those commandments demand. Whereas if one CHOOSES not pay their taxes, they are tracked down, and eventually FORCED to pay up anyway. But you're right, the eternal damnation thing is definitely put out there as a warning to those who choose not to follow the command, however, they are STILL left free to live their life the way they want until death, as punishment comes after death.

Edit: That being said, organized religion can be just as bad, or worse, than government, no doubt. But you're confusing the religion with the teachings, and oftentimes, the religion misinterprets those teachings.

Let's say the overall attempt of the government, besides things such as common defense, interstate commerce, blah, blah, blah is to help those in need and improve society. Now, I realize that this is not quite how it works, because there is waste and there are tax monies that are spent to do just the opposite, in some people's opinion.

Is it somehow "un-Christian" to be "forced" into helping others through taxes? It would seem to me that having to be "forced" into helping people because you didn't do it on your own would be more un-Christian than taxes in the first place. If the almighty Jesus says that you should give up your wealth for the benefit of others, why exactly does it matter if that is in the form of taxes or you giving all your stuff to a charity? I realize the ends don't always justify the means, but in this case, I'm really not seeing the difference.

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Originally posted by Spam Sorry, I wasn't aware of the fact that Ceasar was a socialist. All those beggars and lepers Jesus was helping must have been from some other country. Even the political right collects taxes from the citizenry, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Caesar was government, was he not?

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Originally posted by Spam Um no, Jesus didn't steal his possessions and give them away to the poor. He told him what he should do and allowed him to make a decision for himself. When the man walked away all depressed and shit, Jesus didn't send the IRS after him to force him to give away all his stuff, the man was left free to live his life as he chose. When one CHOOSES to follow the commandments, then they aren't being FORCED to do anything that those commandments demand. Whereas if one CHOOSES not pay their taxes, they are tracked down, and eventually FORCED to pay up anyway. But you're right, the eternal damnation thing is definitely put out there as a warning to those who choose not to follow the command, however, they are STILL left free to live their life the way they want until death, as punishment comes after death. Edit: That being said, organized religion can be just as bad, or worse, than government, no doubt. But you're confusing the religion with the teachings, and oftentimes, the religion misinterprets those teachings.

You can CHOOSE to live your life whatever way you want to by moving to a country that subcribes to the lifestyle of your choosing and living there the rest of your life. At least the IRS doesn't CONDEMN you to ETERNAL damnation by disagreeing with them.

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Originally posted by Krypton Caesar was government, was he not?

Sure, but I don't remember reading about how he taxed those who had money to help support the poor and needy (I separate the two groups since many 'poor' people are so because of their own decisions in life, and what they 'need' is to start making better decisions). I'm no historian or anything, but I'm pretty sure he used those funds for things like building roads, infrastructure, the coliseum, and whatever else he felt like spending the money on. Again, conservatives tax the citizenry too, so how is something as basic as paying your taxes a "liberal" idea?

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Originally posted by occrider You can CHOOSE to live your life whatever way you want to by moving to a country that subcribes to the lifestyle of your choosing and living there the rest of your life. At least the IRS doesn't CONDEMN you to ETERNAL damnation by disagreeing with them.

I shouldn't have to move to another country to live how I want. I should be able to enjoy my God-given freedom to live how I want (and please don't start the childish "but what if you want to kill people?" arguments, because I'm sure we can all agree that causing any form of direct harm to another person should be penalized in a just manner), without a collection of people (just like you and me, but...) with authority telling me how I should live my life (and unfortunately, the political left AND right are both guilty of this), and knocking on my door to force me to do it if I choose not to.

However, believing that there will be any form of punishment or reward after said life is done, based on how I lived it, takes quite the leap of faith.

sigh......

*facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* I guess the cult wants to change their rules w/e there a bunch of crazy destroyers of humanity. sigh......

The scariest story I heard on halloween came from the holy bible..

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Originally posted by Spam Sure, but I don't remember reading about how he taxed those who had money to help support the poor and needy (I separate the two groups since many 'poor' people are so because of their own decisions in life, and what they 'need' is to start making better decisions). I'm no historian or anything, but I'm pretty sure he used those funds for things like building roads, infrastructure, the coliseum, and whatever else he felt like spending the money on. Again, conservatives tax the citizenry too, so how is something as basic as paying your taxes a "liberal" idea?

Social spending is pretty left wing.

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Originally posted by Spam Sure, but I don't remember reading about how he taxed those who had money to help support the poor and needy (I separate the two groups since many 'poor' people are so because of their own decisions in life, and what they 'need' is to start making better decisions). I'm no historian or anything, but I'm pretty sure he used those funds for things like building roads, infrastructure, the coliseum, and whatever else he felt like spending the money on. Again, conservatives tax the citizenry too, so how is something as basic as paying your taxes a "liberal" idea?

Well, this thread is about about some wing nut conservatives editing the bible to fit into their warped political views. I have simply been pointing out that Jesus was a flower in your hair socialist hippie. He told the rich to give everything away to the poor. Not some, EVERYTHING. That's communism ain't it? Jesus the commie! He said pay taxes! Oh noez! He went to the temple, and went ballistic at the merchants (capitalists) for defiling 'his father's temple'. Commie Jesus pwns.

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Originally posted by Krypton Well, this thread is about about some wing nut conservatives editing the bible to fit into their warped political views. I have simply been pointing out that Jesus was a flower in your hair socialist hippie. He told the rich to give everything away to the poor. Not some, EVERYTHING. That's communism ain't it?

No, because the rich man was never forced to do it. He was able to make the choice to live his life how he wanted until death. Something that communist states would never allow. In fact, I think you'd find the communists would confiscate that "everything" and then ensure that death quickly followed.

Very different scenarios.

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Originally posted by Spam No, because the rich man was never forced to do it. He was able to make the choice to live his life how he wanted until death. Something that communist states would never allow. In fact, I think you'd find the communists would confiscate that "everything" and then ensure that death quickly followed. Very different scenarios.

He said, "Give to Caesar's what is Caesar's." Whatever you give to the government might as well be used to raise the standard of living for the tax payers.

Nothing is Caesar's. He deserved to get shanked for that presumption.

Nothing is Caesars? Your anarcho-capitalist colors shine brightly.

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter Social spending is pretty left wing.

The weird part I could never figure out is whether conservative extremists consider Military spending to be a form of social spending or not.. To me it seems it is. We all pay taxes to train an army to protect all of us from our common enemies. Why the less tangible enemies like disease or ignorance should be any different is another question..

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