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Posted by AnotherWay83 on Oct-15-2009 00:34:

china's death vans

this is friggin barbaric

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...ack-market.html

basically they have these death vans in which they take criminals, kill them off and harvest their organs

Posted by Krypton on Oct-15-2009 04:04:

All I can say is, don't be a criminal in China.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Oct-15-2009 06:23:

its so wonderfully utilitarian though, dont you think?

im pretty sure the rumours of chinese organ harvesting have been alive (haha) for quite some time.

Posted by jerZ07002 on Oct-15-2009 13:49:

It's these kinds of things that ensure china won't reach its full potential as a super-power. Ultimately, you need support of the people. I'm not sure how people could support this.

Posted by Krypton on Oct-16-2009 01:14:

quote:
Originally posted by jerZ07002
It's these kinds of things that ensure china won't reach its full potential as a super-power. Ultimately, you need support of the people. I'm not sure how people could support this.

I think the Chinese overwhelmingly support their government.

Posted by jerZ07002 on Oct-16-2009 01:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
I think the Chinese overwhelmingly support their government.

i think you overestimate the chinese government. People don't support suppression. Media in china also isn't permitted to openly criticize the government like it is in the west. We don't have a true picture of people's sentiment.

Posted by Krypton on Oct-16-2009 02:12:

Not saying their isn't discontent with the Chinese government, but certainly no serious counter-revolution.

Posted by jerZ07002 on Oct-16-2009 14:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
Not saying their isn't discontent with the Chinese government, but certainly no serious counter-revolution.

that you know of because (i) the media couldn't report it if there were a serious counter-revolution, and (ii) the government does everything it can to suppress opposition.

you shouldn't mistake their success at suppression as being the same as popular support.

Posted by pmoisse on Oct-16-2009 14:33:

What's their crime rate like? Do they have much robbery or break & enter stuff?

The guy in the article stole a ton of money through corruption schemes.

It's definitely barbaric, but it it that different than executions (injections or otherwise) carried out elsewhere in the world?

Posted by jerZ07002 on Oct-16-2009 14:47:

quote:
Originally posted by pmoisse
What's their crime rate like? Do they have much robbery or break & enter stuff?

The guy in the article stole a ton of money through corruption schemes.

It's definitely barbaric, but it it that different than executions (injections or otherwise) carried out elsewhere in the world?

it's the speed at which the executions take place, and the fact that the organs of the executed are 'recycled' apparently without consent (which i have no problem with) - better reused than destroyed.

In the US it can take 20 years or more for an execution to actually take place, and the organs of the executed are not 'sold' to rich japanese/korean people.

Posted by Lira on Oct-18-2009 20:16:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
its so wonderfully utilitarian though, dont you think?

"If utilitarianism is right, we'd better not believe it".

I don't remember where I read it, but these vans are a proof that there's some truth to this quote.