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Motherboard and 3D Card decisions
Sup ppl, my parents have finally decided that we need a new computer (which we have for a few years). I'm going to get a AthlonXP 2000+ but I'm not sure about which m/b to get for it. I'm thinking either the Asus A7V-T (i've heard one of the better boards) or the MSI KT3 333 Ultra 333Mhz - but i need some advice on which is the best board for the AthlonXP. Same with the 3D card, i'm leaning towards the 64M Asus V8170 GeForce4 MX420 but I'm afraid there might be a better card (at around the same price range) which i should get instead.
Any help here would be much appreciated 
Cheers
Pointy
Pointy how much u paying for the gf4 mx?
i just bought myself a gainward gf4 ti4200 for $350...far cheaper than the 4400 & 4600, but can be overclocked to go faster than either of them 
imo, the mx range are a waste of money...especially the gf4 mx, seeing a gf2 ti can give better performance!
dunno much about motherboards...i heard a few people recommend the epox one, but i dunno which model sorry 
if u want a forum to browse, try
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/
heheh...i spam there a bit too
there was (until this week) trading, vendors verdict & where to buy forums...but unfortunately those were shut down due to problems
With that configuration you shouldn't buy a GeForce 4 mx, buy the Ti editions, it costs more, but the mx slows your pc down (imo).
Also check this forum, there you'll get all your questions answered:
AnandTech Forum
Greetz.
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| Originally posted by Kamaya With that configuration you shouldn't buy a GeForce 4 mx, buy the Ti editions, it costs more, but the mx slows your pc down (imo). Also check this forum, there you'll get all your questions answered: AnandTech Forum Greetz. |
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| Originally posted by Fraggle Pointy how much u paying for the gf4 mx? i just bought myself a gainward gf4 ti4200 for $350...far cheaper than the 4400 & 4600, but can be overclocked to go faster than either of them |
Where abouts did you get it from?
Don't get an MX series GeForce...I was able to find a Pixelview Geforce Ti4200 128MB DDR for a resonable price.
bought the ti4200 from here
http://www.pcrange.biz/index.html
the dude is in SA, and he orders direct from Gainward Taiwan...but he normally only imports what he knows he can sell...so have to pre-order & wait a couple of weeks 
i dunno if he gets ti4400, but send him an email if u want
if u want leadtek, try
http://www.zonecomputing.com.au/
and the other popular one is suma
http://www.gamedude.com.au/
...but i've heard a few complaints about shiping times & service at gamedude, so be warned
Got a Leadtek Geforce4 Ti4400 myself. I wouldn't but the MX, doing that is like buying a Geforce3.
It's funny because my parents have bought me the same pc .and it will arrive tommorrow morning....
for the motherboard i have chose an asus ..this because the asus for me are the best mb ....and the asus a7v333 it's aso good for the overclock.....then i've bought 512 mb of ddr 333 memory that are always usefull..and for the video card i have the same problem too.I've posted and other thread like these on the cilly out seession asking of what video crad too buy so now i tell you my final decision what was ...
i now have a geforce 2 gts 32 mb ddr and initially i was going to buy a geforce 4 mx ....but then i saw on the interent that the geforce 4 mx it's only a geforce 2 with second memory and other shit ....so it's not a big pass for a video card .....ahhh.btw i was going to buy the mx 440 not the 420 ....
then i saw for a ati radeon 8500 64 mb ddr ......or for a geforce 3 ti 200 ..and at the final i saw that the radeon it's much better then the geforce 3 and it also the best card for the low price that have ....
At the final i didn't buy any video card and i will use my geforce 2 gts .....because i don't have 187 euro for the radeon .....but if you have i suggest it to you .....
Think that the ati radeon in velocity it's between the geforce 4 ti 4400 and the gefore 3 ti 500....video card that cost a lot more then the ati radeon ....
I will buy an ati radoen 8500 also because soon nvidia will leave it's new chip the nv 30 that will eneter at the top of the video card and so all the geforce ti series will slow down of price drastically and also because ati will release his r 300 soon also ......and matrox his parphelia chip ......
so try to save money more on on a cheaper card for then buy a best one in a year or two .....
my opinion ......
sorry for my bad bad english ......i hope you will understand what i try to mean
See ya
Well this is the machine that i've decided on.
AMD AthlonXP 2000+ with AMD Quiet Fan
MSI Red KT3 Ultra VIA KT333 DDR333
512MG Kingston PC-2700 DDR Ram
Triplex Geforce4 Ti4200 64meg 3D Card
2xSeagate 80Gb 7200RPM ATA-100. Running under RAID 0.
Good IDE RAID Card.
TDK VeloCD Burner 40/12/48
Lian Li PC-65 Aluminium Case with window
350-400W Power Supply Soundcard and USB and FireWire ports are integrated into the motherboard � I believe
Kensington Mini Optical Mouse � Or any decent optical mouse really � No cordless devices.
Microsoft Internet Keyboard
Windows 2000 � Not WinXP
You sound like you know your shit about overclocking, and i know a bit and that's why i'm getting the Triplex Geforce4 Ti4200 (it also looks sick ). These things can be overclocked to beat the Ti4600 easily and you'd save a heap of money. They tested an overclocked Ti4200 against the ATI Radion 8500 and other Geforce cards, and the Ti4200 won all the tests (ATI often coming 3rd/4th)
As for the motherboard, i just chose the MSI cos it's red and has alotta good features, including the fact that i'm getting a 6.1 soundcard integrated, which means no need for a flashy SBLive! card 
Ciao
Pointy
ohhhhhhhhhhh...that triplex card looks sweeeeeeeeeett!!!
hehehe...silver is sexay!!!
hmm...u can get onboard raid quite easily these days, so maybe worthwile looking into that Pointy...i'm not sure if they're cheaper (than getting a raid card seperate)...but just thought u'd like to know
the lian cases r popular...must be the aluminium...but personally i think they look yuk (design-wise anyway)
the seagates are bloody good value at the moment...i picked one up for $230 about 4 months ago...now they're going for about $190, i been meaning to get another one myself
not sure how much the tdk burner is, but also check out the lite-on 40/12/48 drives...dirt cheap and no hassles i've heard of...been recommended by quite a number of people, my bro has one i think he got for about $130 but should be cheaper than that now
optical mice r cheap too...can get intellimouse optical (white 5-button one) for about $45, and i just picked up a intellimouse explorer 3.0 for $75...but can get them for $65
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| Originally posted by PointyDC Well this is the machine that i've decided on. AMD AthlonXP 2000+ with AMD Quiet Fan MSI Red KT3 Ultra VIA KT333 DDR333 512MG Kingston PC-2700 DDR Ram Triplex Geforce4 Ti4200 64meg 3D Card 2xSeagate 80Gb 7200RPM ATA-100. Running under RAID 0. Good IDE RAID Card. TDK VeloCD Burner 40/12/48 Lian Li PC-65 Aluminium Case with window 350-400W Power Supply Soundcard and USB and FireWire ports are integrated into the motherboard � I believe Kensington Mini Optical Mouse � Or any decent optical mouse really � No cordless devices. Microsoft Internet Keyboard Windows 2000 � Not WinXP You sound like you know your shit about overclocking, and i know a bit and that's why i'm getting the Triplex Geforce4 Ti4200 (it also looks sick ). These things can be overclocked to beat the Ti4600 easily and you'd save a heap of money. They tested an overclocked Ti4200 against the ATI Radion 8500 and other Geforce cards, and the Ti4200 won all the tests (ATI often coming 3rd/4th) As for the motherboard, i just chose the MSI cos it's red and has alotta good features, including the fact that i'm getting a 6.1 soundcard integrated, which means no need for a flashy SBLive! card Ciao Pointy |
Can i ask you how much did you paid it ? (the video card i mean ) Thanks
Fraggle, On board RAID cards are sweet, and the MSI that i'm getting actually has one, but the problem is, that unlike separate IDE RAID cards, the onboard RAID's uses roughly 1/7 of the CPU's power, meaning not as much CPU thinking going into games etc.
The TDK burner is expensive, but the reason i want it (god im a sucker for advertising) is cos it looks sick, and would go pretty well with the aluminium case. As for the aluminium case, i'm really not sure about it yet.. cos there are other one's which look better, but are a lot more expensive. I'm basing this computer marginally off this rig --> http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/review.php3?t=2195 and it doesnt look too shabby there
Seagate's are cheap now, that's why im getting them, and as for the optical mouse, the Kensington's really small (like fingertip control) and i like that in a mouse, easier than moving your whole damn hand about.
NIGHTERROR The Triplex card can be seen here --> http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/review.php3?t=2645 , it's AUS$340, which is rougly $170 American, and 130 pounds in the UK (although knowing the UK, it'll be the same price as Australia, just with pounds, hence 340 pounds)
But i cant really change much now, i've sent the list to my Dad whose gonna pass it onto some other goon to make it, we shall see
Ciao
Pointy
heck, i didn't realise on-board raid was so expensive (cpu-wise)
hehehe...funny that Pointy...just read a review (i think it was atomic, tho i'm not 100% sure) on the tdk drive today...very impressive
was the top pick too, looks trick with that cover thing
...also funny u mention auspc...hehe i was just there on tuesday to pick up new keyboard LOL
hehehe...go silver!!!
http://www.dansdata.com/images/2boards/zippy500.jpg
...just to match new explorer 3.0 ...hmm i guess mouse size is a personal taste thing, but i find after using computer for long hours, small mice make my hand cramped so i bought a larger one after using the smaller intellimouse optical for a few months
anyway, it's quite a sound system u got worked out i think, so all the best!!!
& most importantly...HAVE FUN with ur new beast!!! heheheheeh!!!
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| Originally posted by PointyDC Fraggle, On board RAID cards are sweet, and the MSI that i'm getting actually has one, but the problem is, that unlike separate IDE RAID cards, the onboard RAID's uses roughly 1/7 of the CPU's power, meaning not as much CPU thinking going into games etc. The TDK burner is expensive, but the reason i want it (god im a sucker for advertising) is cos it looks sick, and would go pretty well with the aluminium case. As for the aluminium case, i'm really not sure about it yet.. cos there are other one's which look better, but are a lot more expensive. I'm basing this computer marginally off this rig --> http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/review.php3?t=2195 and it doesnt look too shabby there Seagate's are cheap now, that's why im getting them, and as for the optical mouse, the Kensington's really small (like fingertip control) and i like that in a mouse, easier than moving your whole damn hand about. NIGHTERROR The Triplex card can be seen here --> http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/review.php3?t=2645 , it's AUS$340, which is rougly $170 American, and 130 pounds in the UK (although knowing the UK, it'll be the same price as Australia, just with pounds, hence 340 pounds) But i cant really change much now, i've sent the list to my Dad whose gonna pass it onto some other goon to make it, we shall see Ciao Pointy |
...the price seems to be ok and the card looks very cool
good choice!
good choice and nice computer but I would've stuck with an ASUS motherboard...particularly the ASUS A7V series (they also have a RAID version) have fun with your new toy!
-Aaron
Mmmm, that silver keyboard is pretty tasty, i'll look into that after i get the new comp, seeing i cant really change it now, as it's being built. Annoying part is, is the guy that we're getting to build the computer will say that it's all too much, and i'll end up having a 20gig hard-drive Ahh well, i'm hoping for the best... i just wanna play some new games.. i'm getting a bit sick of GTA1 and stupid dosgames, heheh
Later,
Pointy
i would...
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| Originally posted by PointyDC Mmmm, that silver keyboard is pretty tasty, i'll look into that after i get the new comp, seeing i cant really change it now, as it's being built. Annoying part is, is the guy that we're getting to build the computer will say that it's all too much, and i'll end up having a 20gig hard-drive Ahh well, i'm hoping for the best... i just wanna play some new games.. i'm getting a bit sick of GTA1 and stupid dosgames, heheh Later, Pointy |
hi
dont get the XP 2000+
it is too expensive
the XP 1900+ or 1800+ is a lot cheaper [ at least it is in canada ]
you have to watch for the price drops because
the top processor can be like $250
second best 235
third best $ 180
thats the one you go for
as far as the MB
get the Asus A7N266-C [ on board digital sound card ]
and for video
ATI all in wonder 7500 64 meg video card with TV out and remote
the MB is by far the most stable on the market and supports up to Athlon XP 2100+ CPU
has dual ram slots that if used double up the bandwith
ETC.......got all these right now and I love em
getting the Western digital 8 meg buffer HD because after having such a kick ass system its the HD that slows everything down
www.canadacomputers.com prices are good
MB - 158CND
CPU - 1800XP $179CND
Vid - 245CND
Kingmax pc 2700 ddr RAM 115CND
western digital 80 GB 8 meg Cache - 193CND
plus 15% tax
Re: hi
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| Originally posted by Pepi9317 dont get the XP 2000+ it is too expensive the XP 1900+ or 1800+ is a lot cheaper [ at least it is in canada ] you have to watch for the price drops because the top processor can be like $250 second best 235 third best $ 180 thats the one you go for as far as the MB get the Asus A7N266-C [ on board digital sound card ] and for video ATI all in wonder 7500 64 meg video card with TV out and remote the MB is by far the most stable on the market and supports up to Athlon XP 2100+ CPU has dual ram slots that if used double up the bandwith ETC.......got all these right now and I love em getting the Western digital 8 meg buffer HD because after having such a kick ass system its the HD that slows everything down www.canadacomputers.com prices are good MB - 158CND CPU - 1800XP $179CND Vid - 245CND Kingmax pc 2700 ddr RAM 115CND western digital 80 GB 8 meg Cache - 193CND plus 15% tax |
Well yea, i looked at the 8meg buffered WD, but i dun have the moolahh. That's why i've gone the 2 80gigers under a RAID 0 which will be pretty damn fast. As for the motherboard, i've been getting so many different opinions between the MSI board which im getting, and ASUS board. I've weighed it up (price and majority of opinions) and chose the MSI. 3D card will stay the GeForce 4 Ti4200, i aint goin near the ATI Radeon range as an overclocked Ti4200 shits on it. Thanks for ur info though... opened my eyes abit What you said about the 1800+/1900+ instead of the 2000+ i've taken into account, and have got the guy to put either 1800 or 1900, not sure yet.
Cheers bro,
Pointy
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