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Why do some DJ's hate everything but vinyl?

Why do some DJ's look down on everything but vinyl?

What is wrong with using a MIDI mixer and a program as long as you you do the beat matching yourself?

I can't see any benefits for spinning a trance set in vinyl... Scratching sounds like shit in most trance tunes... carrying around tons of records is inconvenient, and where the fuck can you find modern trance releases in vinyl?

Why is there such a stigma to using anything but vinyl?

Its one thing to be old school(And if your scratching Im sure its still better), but another to hate everything but what you use.

Re: Why do some DJ's hate everything but vinyl?

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Originally posted by djnitride Why is there such a stigma to using anything but vinyl?

Is there? I haven't noticed any in quite a few years.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Is there? I haven't noticed any in quite a few years.

Maybe I just got a lecture by some too cool for school dj. But him and a few buddies tried to convince me that anything but but vinyl was lame. They were discussing their setups and I told them I looked into both and Vinyl didn't make sense for the amount of money you have to drop nowadays compared to VDJ stuff.

Just getting defensive over their giant monetary investments I guess....

I don't hate... I just don't care.

Basically what the "Old DJs" are trying to yell out is the hard work they had when they were digging through crates and crates of vinyl for that one little gem. These vinyl weren't cheap, you had to earn them with hard work, same goes for turntables and a mixer.

In the old days, to be a DJ requires talent and craftmanship. Now we have 18 year old coming in with their digital gear and screwing up the experienced and older DJs by charging half of what the "Old DJs" used to charge.

You see little 12 year old kids buying Xone 4D, Xponents, VCI and buying music with the side of pirating them. They also have contemp towards their equipment and want more. Creating most of the people DJing "Gear Whores". Getting more and more gear and they also lean towards the digital side and never appreciate the music. They can have a few tens of thousands in their computer library, but man they still want more. While vinyl purist like I have only a few hundreds of track that i love and cherish.

I've got nothing against digitalist since i have friends going that route. This is only my opinion and i am not lashing out on the new wave of DJs blooming out. That's my 2 cent right there.

because you can't rub your balls on an mp3.

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Originally posted by knowhope In the old days, to be a DJ requires talent and craftmanship. Now we have 18 year old coming in with their digital gear and screwing up the experienced and older DJs by charging half of what the "Old DJs" used to charge.

this i think is the biggest thing

i'm not a vinyl purist but i do own quite a few records that i've collected over the years before cdjs were common in clubs and i cherish every single one of them

you were more inclined to save your money for music that you really wanted and with the cost of producing vinyl, labels were more inclined to release more quality tunes

the time and money that went into djing before kept out the "posers", now anyone with an internet connection and a few bucks can claim they dj

but then again, knowing how to dj and being a dj are 2 different things and is a different discussion

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Originally posted by Tony Morello this i think is the biggest thing i'm not a vinyl purist but i do own quite a few records that i've collected over the years before cdjs were common in clubs and i cherish every single one of them the time and money that went into djing before kept out the "posers", now anyone with an internet connection and a few bucks can claim they dj but then again, knowing how to dj and being a dj are 2 different things and is a different discussion

But the real sad fact is most people don't know the difference between a real artistic mix and a ggkthx sync win button

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Originally posted by knowhope But the real sad fact is most people don't know the difference between a real artistic mix and a ggkthx sync win button

Ignorance is transparent.

i have a feeling this is going to be one of those idiotic debates as to what a real dj is...your not a dj if you don't spin anything...yada yada yada...vinyl is better, cds are better, digital is better...shaaaaad up!!!!

who cares really? i dont think anybody here is going to stop playing music just because of an idiot hate one medium of delivering music. if you are one to stop because of the incessant "vinyl is better" mentality, stop for the sake of all of us.

if it sounds good, it sounds good...ive gotten to the point of medium being pointless. i started on techs, then cds, then back to techs, now i'm using ableton. granted i'm not some big whig dj who spins out but just somebody who dicks around with my free time.


i say the new mod, whoever it may be...delete these kinds of repeat posts...save us all typing time

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Ignorance is transparent.

I think "Ignorance is Bliss" would do much better

I've mixed digitally with a controller, with CDJs, and finally (with my first setup) vinyl. I honestly find vinyl the most enjoyable to mix with, as well as the most frustrating. It's certainly not as convenient, but I'm probably going to collect and mix records, besides whatever else I use, for quite some time.

next time someone comes preaching to you, just whip out your cock and say "look at this" they will leave you alone forever

Unless it's real tiny. Then you have a problem.

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Originally posted by djnitride What is wrong with using a MIDI mixer and a program as long as you you do the beat matching yourself?

Why do you even have to beatmatch it yourself?

[/controversial statement]


If beat syncing software had been invented in the 70s, people would think you're mad trying to manually sync 2 tunes now. It's only seen as it is because historically that's how it had to be done.

The fact is, beat syncing software has reduced the value of a DJ, whether they use it or not: more people can 'beatmatch' as a result of it... some press a button, others sync it manually, but to the people on the floor it's the same... so what was special about a DJ who can beatmatch is no longer as special. By fairly basic economics, that reduces the value of a DJ, means you can charge less for gigs, makes it harder to stand out and so on.

Don't get me wrong, there will always be extra praise given to those who do it manually - in the same way that a turntablist beat juggling gets more praise than someone hitting a loop button to create the same effect.

But unless you really feel it adds something to your act, don't feel you have to bow to history and do it manually yourself. Look at other ways you can make your sets special.

Note I'm not saying don't beatmatch manually... I still do it myself, partly because I enjoy it a lot more, but just don't take it for granted that to be a 'real DJ', you have to.


Just my �2.45

you don't have to do anything, but if you learn how to beatmatch yourself you will improve your timing and by default make yourself a better dj in the long run even if you let a program do it for you.

a lot of kids that never learn to beatmatch also never learn the basics such as beat counting and phrasing, which make for shitty mixing even when auto beatmatched imo.

"i" dont think its the same; looking at a dj stare at a laptop. i wanna see him sweat, concentrate harder, almost fuck up once maybe. translates more energy to me. but then again, its not about that, its about stupid bitches shaking their asses to some good music.

Re: Why do some DJ's hate everything but vinyl?

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Originally posted by djnitride I can't see any benefits for spinning a trance set in vinyl... Scratching sounds like shit in most trance tunes... carrying around tons of records is inconvenient, and where the fuck can you find modern trance releases in vinyl?

www.ukdancerecords.com


I think everyone covered your other questions.

I'll just add that vinyl makes a good filter for eliminating shite music. You have to really like a track to pay $13 for it and labels aren't going to spend the money to press a track to vinyl unless they think it is actually commercially viable.

good point, but not necessarily true. Could be funded by some commercial bullshit that pulls in a larger amount of money -- not necessarily a great tune.

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Originally posted by msz good point, but not necessarily true. Could be funded by some commercial bullshit that pulls in a larger amount of money -- not necessarily a great tune.

Of course! Thats why on the labels side I said "commercially viable" and not quality music.


But the overall point I was trying to make is that any jackleg with more gear (or just a cracked copy of reason) than talent can put a track up on the internet for anyone to download for free. I've definitely heard an Ableton "DJ" play some complete shite music that never would have been forced on anybody if it first had to meet the test of being commercially viable.

Of course, there is a lot of music out there for download that bypasses this filter in a positive way as well. Its just so easy to abuse the system (and the listener's ears) these days.

Re: Why do some DJ's hate everything but vinyl?

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Originally posted by djnitride Why do some DJ's look down on everything but vinyl? What is wrong with using a MIDI mixer and a program as long as you you do the beat matching yourself? I can't see any benefits for spinning a trance set in vinyl... Scratching sounds like shit in most trance tunes... carrying around tons of records is inconvenient, and where the fuck can you find modern trance releases in vinyl? Why is there such a stigma to using anything but vinyl? Its one thing to be old school(And if your scratching Im sure its still better), but another to hate everything but what you use.

people refuse to follow life with new technology.. if software and electronic CDJ's make your job easier, then why not take advantage? even the worlds biggest DJ's go with technology

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Originally posted by DisposableYouth Why do you even have to beatmatch it yourself? [/controversial statement] If beat syncing software had been invented in the 70s, people would think you're mad trying to manually sync 2 tunes now. It's only seen as it is because historically that's how it had to be done. The fact is, beat syncing software has reduced the value of a DJ, whether they use it or not: more people can 'beatmatch' as a result of it... some press a button, others sync it manually, but to the people on the floor it's the same... so what was special about a DJ who can beatmatch is no longer as special. By fairly basic economics, that reduces the value of a DJ, means you can charge less for gigs, makes it harder to stand out and so on. Don't get me wrong, there will always be extra praise given to those who do it manually - in the same way that a turntablist beat juggling gets more praise than someone hitting a loop button to create the same effect. But unless you really feel it adds something to your act, don't feel you have to bow to history and do it manually yourself. Look at other ways you can make your sets special. Note I'm not saying don't beatmatch manually... I still do it myself, partly because I enjoy it a lot more, but just don't take it for granted that to be a 'real DJ', you have to. Just my �2.45

Good post..

what i dont like is those punk kids that bought this equipment and call themselves dj's just because they have the software to "sync" the music.

Re: Re: Why do some DJ's hate everything but vinyl?

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Originally posted by Emvy people refuse to follow life with new technology.. if software and electronic CDJ's make your job easier, then why not take advantage? even the worlds biggest DJ's go with technology

Yeah, what the hell you know? Just pop in a pre-mixed CD and go score some hookers and blow.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Yeah, what the hell you know? Just pop in a pre-mixed CD and go score some hookers and blow.

if thats what you like to do, then dont let us stop you!

I think another point to touch on that hasn't really been talked about (too much)...is the fact that new kids on the scene who don't know the "discipline" or have the same learning curve as we did with vinyl and even cdjs are less constrained in a way.

The freedom of not having that paradigm of dealing with beatmatching (which was originally a means, not an end), leaves some creative freedom for those new people to take advantage of. So with a lot of terrible talent taking advantage, you also have an influx of great talent with a less constrained way of thinking.

It's an idea. And I can't think of any one "big name" as an example at the moment but I'm sure any of us can think of a local guy who is amazing with a sequencer like Ableton who doesn't have the traditional vinyl/cdj background.

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