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The biggest problem with having too much stuff...

...I installed Windows 7 (dual-boot with Vista Ultimate) last week and have spent every evening since then reinstalling all my apps, downloading updates, troubleshooting, configuring, etc. For the most part it's gone very smoothly and I really like W7 much better than Vista or XP, but I'm so ready to be done with this and start making music again. The funny thing is, I did a clean install of W7 on my wife's laptop, including all of her apps and reconfiguring her peripherals and various user accounts in one weekend morning while I watched football.

Anybody else going through the W7 upgrade? Or, am I the only producer left on the planet who's NOT using a Mac?

I've installed W7 on several physical and virtual machines at work. Overall, I'm really impressed with W7 in general. It is everything that Vista was promised to be. Fast, stable, easy to use.

As for production, obviously I'm Mac, but I experienced a similar situation when upgrading from OS X 10.4 (Tiger) to OS 10.5 (Leopard). It must have taken me most of a weekend to get everything installed, updated, setup properly.

Fortunately for me, I called Apple before doing the upgrade and ended up talking to a guy on the Logic Pro development team. He provided me with step-by-step guidelines for reinstalling everything without losing any preferences or settings, so it made the process a lot quicker than it might have otherwise been.

osx is really handy for that. You don't have that registry nightmare and it is really just as simple as dragging files to your new installation.

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Originally posted by Eric J Fortunately for me, I called Apple before doing the upgrade and ended up talking to a guy on the Logic Pro development team. He provided me with step-by-step guidelines for reinstalling everything without losing any preferences or settings, so it made the process a lot quicker than it might have otherwise been.

Nice! Unfortunately, I don't think that there is a way to migrate preferences/settings from one Windows OS to another when setting up a dual-boot system (i.e., not installing over the old OS), is there? If so, that would be nice to know because I currently have Windows 7 32-bit on one HD and Vista 32-bit on another HD as my "backup". Then, I plan on replacing the Vista partition with 64-bit W7 later on (once I'm sure that all my apps/drivers will work). It would be nice if I could migrate my 32-bit W7 settings over once I'm ready to install 64-bit W7 (probably not until next year).

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Originally posted by RichieV osx is really handy for that. You don't have that registry nightmare and it is really just as simple as dragging files to your new installation.

Hopefully Bill Gates steals that idea as well someday.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Nice! Unfortunately, I don't think that there is a way to migrate preferences/settings from one Windows OS to another when setting up a dual-boot system (i.e., not installing over the old OS), is there? If so, that would be nice to know because I currently have Windows 7 32-bit on one HD and Vista 32-bit on another HD as my "backup". Then, I plan on replacing the Vista partition with 64-bit W7 later on (once I'm sure that all my apps/drivers will work). It would be nice if I could migrate my 32-bit W7 settings over once I'm ready to install 64-bit W7 (probably not until next year).

Not that I am aware of, I mean basically RichieV is correct with this statement:

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Originally posted by RichieV osx is really handy for that. You don't have that registry nightmare and it is really just as simple as dragging files to your new installation.

That is the disadvantage of Windows is that you generally cant just move things around without causing major problems. OSX is not totally immune to this, but most software is fairly self contained. No matter how you feel about their products, Apple definitely wins on customer service, for me anyway.

ya i remember the stress I used to feel when my pc broke down. My mood would literally match the health of my computer. My day job involves orchestrating mockups for live orchestras and it is really liberating to only have to use a pencil and some paper ( well the digital version Finale to be fair ) But still one program and thats it.

Poor you


Just give me some of your stuff and we'll both be happy

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Originally posted by tehlord Poor you Just give me some of your stuff and we'll both be happy

I'm actually selling off all of my individual NI synths at a very good price. because I just bought Komplete 5/6, which will give me the same synths and then some!

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Originally posted by cryophonik I'm actually selling off all of my individual NI synths at a very good price. because I just bought Komplete 5/6, which will give me the same synths and then some!

I know, I saw the KVR thread.

Alas NI and me don't get on, although I do use Battery all the time.

The other side of Christams and I might give Massive a second try though.........

get a mac and Reason and you wont ever have to think about problems again. ahhh its good to be back

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Originally posted by palm get a mac and Reason and you wont ever have to think about music again. ahhh its good to be back

Word

get a PC and use all your time thinking about making music instead of getting anything done.

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Originally posted by palm get a PC and use all your time thinking about making music instead of getting anything done.

I know you're half-joking, but in all honesty, my PC has never gotten in the way of making music or doing anything else and runs very stable. I'm one of the few people I know that actually found Vista more stable and usable than XP, and based on my few weeks experience with W7, things are looking even better.

I'll be migrating over to 7 at some point within the month, but I'm thinking about buying another internal drive first.

Using Windows 7 x64 Ultimate.
Works great.

See this thread (10th post down) (full disclosure: it's e-penis waving):
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...postid=10069802

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Originally posted by wrzonance Using Windows 7 x64 Ultimate. Works great. See this thread (10th post down) (full disclosure: it's e-penis waving): http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...postid=10069802

Yeah, I remember seeing those photos and wondering to myself what your electricity bill runs!

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Originally posted by cryophonik Yeah, I remember seeing those photos and wondering to myself what your electricity bill runs!

120$ a month. My media server (including samples, project backups, etc) runs 24/7.

I can't imagine what my bill would be like if I ran that beast 24/7!!!

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Originally posted by wrzonance I can't imagine what my bill would be like if I ran that beast 24/7!!!

Probably not that much. It may be powerful equipment but if it spends most of its time idling, it's not going to use more than about 150 W. 250 W would be worrying. Only if you're playing games and really straining the capacity would it go anywhere near what the PSU is capable of putting out.

My guess is an extra $10 - $15 per month depending on the electricity rates.

I'm more concerned about all those fans. Seems kinda noisy for a production PC. I built mine completely passively cooled (including the mobo and VGA) except for one 120mm at the back. Never regretted that decision, and infuriatingly was also never able to get my HTPC as quiet because of the stupid 80mm fans.

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As for this ludicrous Mac vs. Windows debate about how easy/hard it is to install software, consider what's replacing the Windows registry on a Mac: plists, which are fundamentally equivalent to .ini files, which were done away with as far back as Windows 95 for good reason. Plus there's the whole Launch Services Database which I've been told has to be periodically rebuilt.

None of this makes Windows superior - installs are certainly more convenient on the Mac - but it's nowhere near the slam-dunk that the fanatics here are making it out to be. You're trading a lot for that minor convenience, and most people spend less than 0.01% of their computing time installing software.

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Originally posted by DigiNut None of this makes Windows superior - installs are certainly more convenient on the Mac - but it's nowhere near the slam-dunk that the fanatics here are making it out to be. You're trading a lot for that minor convenience, and most people spend less than 0.01% of their computing time installing software.

I disagree

I had to reinstall windows every 6 months and the reinstall process took 3 days. Win my mac , it takes 1 hour max. PErhaps you speak like everyone has your knowledge but most don't and for most , windows reinstall process is a nightmare. And nobody is being fanatical. I've used both systems and still use both extensively. It is just a truth that the windows registry is a nightmare if you don't have a computer science degree.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I'm more concerned about all those fans. Seems kinda noisy for a production PC.

Yeah. Down the road I'll be getting a larger radiator and water cooling just about everything. Larger radiator, larger fans, lower RPM, quieter.

Right now (as you can see from pics) it's pretty hodge-podge. The nice thing is there isn't a single 80mm fan in there... worthless fans they are.

For audio production I usually shove the elements I'm recording into another room, I have plenty of inputs and outputs for a proper headphone talk-back system and vocals/guitar. So it's easy to snake some XLR cables and put people in my recording *cough* kids room.

Believe it or not, but when the fans are stepped down, it's a pretty quiet machine. And with my nice closed-back headphones the computer becomes inaudible.

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Originally posted by RichieV It is just a truth that the windows registry is a nightmare if you don't have a computer science degree.

For usability, yes. But as I thought I just explained, that's not the only concern when dealing with critical application data. Apple can get away with it because of the relatively small body of applications and users - similar penetration to Windows 3.1, which used a similar approach.

ur comparing osx and win3.1? lol ok, think its time to let this one dead. discussion is pointless at this point.

I won't be upgrading as my music only pc is running fine with xp (I only recently bought the pc and I deliberately specified xp over vista). Just not enough time and also I'm a big believer in sticking with something as long as you are happy with it.

A lot of pro's still use really old versions of logic and cubase for the same reason.

I don't get enough time with my children as it is!
NASA still use many an ancient programme as all the bugs are ironed out and those things work trouble free, so no need to upgrage.

Hey my mate advertised an old tascam digital recorder / mixer and it sold straight away for �250 - the buyer said he was ditching a DAW altogether!

I'm going to upgrade to windows 7 soon. I'll start my MCTS certification studies for it in about a week. So propably about the same time i switch to it. I Got ultimate/pro/whatever 64-bit version free from microsoft itacademy so why not. Sure beats vista and XP.

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Why don't people take backups/snapshots from their clean working environments and when it start to get buggy re-install those?

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