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Help mixing Techno

Is there any difference when mixing trance or techno?? For some reason i have an easier time, and a better transition with with trance. Any ideas, or ways to improve my techno mixes???

Help!!

Usually, techno is a lot busier than trance.
Techno starts off faster, and ends faster. It doesn't have the buildup that most trance-songs have.

So, when mixing techno, it's more important to keep all melodies in line, which means: find melodies that fit well together.

In that way, mixing techno should work.

Please note that techno is much more energetic than trance, so mix it that way.

I mix techno a lot too. It's very kewl cause there are more tricks that you can make (crossfade "ala" dave clarke, .....) It's really different to mix and imho it's more difficult

TECHNO AND TRANCE MIXING ARE WORLDS APART!!!!

It's totally different!

Techno ussually does NOT have any Melody! That is in order to make it possible to mix them. The thing about Techno is that it's monotonous. You mix Techno track only in the end beginning, crowd falls asleep.
You need to ahve long mixes, you need to have at least 2 tracks running at the same time, and you need to know each of them VERY well to know what each one contributes to complete the other. Mixing must be flawless and since Techno, unlike Trance, has no plot in tracks, you'll have much more part as the DJ to alter tracks with effects & EQs etc.

I say you'd better practice a bit, go to anywhere where there are Techno freaks (Some around the net there the parallel Technoish brother of TA) and get their opinions.

Re: TECHNO AND TRANCE MIXING ARE WORLDS APART!!!!

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Originally posted by oDrori Techno ussually does NOT have any Melody...crowd falls asleep...you need to have at least 2 tracks running at the same time...since Techno, unlike Trance, has no plot in tracks

What the hell kind of Techno have you been listening to?

If you ever go and see someone like Dave Clarke, Umek or Carl Cox � I GUARANTEE the crowd does not fall asleep.

For me, techno is easier to mix than trance. You usually dont need to worry about the melody.

Mixing techno is the same as mixing trance or house. Beatmatch, find a spot to mix in and touch off on a certain point then use your mixer.

Mixing techno doesnt need to be as smooth as trance. I find that its funner to mix techno. You can play more with the EQs, line/phono switch, crossfader, bass/mid/high cut, volume etc....

Re: TECHNO AND TRANCE MIXING ARE WORLDS APART!!!!

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Originally posted by oDrori It's totally different! Techno ussually does NOT have any Melody! That is in order to make it possible to mix them. The thing about Techno is that it's monotonous.

Usually richie hawtin is like that a lot I find carl cox a better techno dj. He pulls in a few tech-house tunes too.

how is it possible that trance is easier to mix than techno? trance is so melody and fluff based you really cant mix it... you fade tracks and hope the melody doesnt get in the way. hehehe

trance is usually a 32-beat thing - 8 [4 beat] bars to a phrase, laid out based on the melody - i'm no expert on techno, but from listening to it, phrases are much shorter and tend to repeat quicker with subtle differences every 2 or 4 bars. there's no real melody, and it's easy to slam together two techno tracks, as long as you line up the phrases. it's more about the beats and bars than anything - you just need to find the portions of the track that have samples that go together well to form a fuller sound, and work on a complementing pattern.

just play around - techno is actually one of the easier forms to mix, but it's a very different style of mixing than trance. it takes more confidence as it changes much quicker than trance and requires you to be more on your toes... same deal with hardhouse and nunrg... get used to spinning techno or hardhouse, and trance will seem too slow to bother with.

-mer

Re: Re: TECHNO AND TRANCE MIXING ARE WORLDS APART!!!!

Of course (IMHO) Trance is easier to mix since you ussually niver mix @ the melodic parts, ussually either in the outro or intro which the producer kindly left unmelodic (Most tracks, not all). If you won't, it will sound crappy unless you are good and know how to handle it.

This means it's pretty easy to mix Trance caus ethe mixed parts are ussually easy to mix.

Now, since there is no melody in Techno, you might think it's easier to mix but, you actually need to know the tracks really well in order to know which track will complment which, which track will complete the other and which track will cause an "Overload" to the ear, as well as knowing which track will make the right progress in the "Story" of the set.

In other words, it's easier to get to 85% perfect mix in Techno, but harder to get to a 100% mix.

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Originally posted by Spin Doctor Dave Clarke, Umek or Carl Cox � I GUARANTEE the crowd does not fall asleep

Umek : Plays pretty minimal, so only the folks that like minimal go there ussually, that combined with the fact that Umek has a VERY big name in the Techno world so everyone that goes there know what they're gonna get, plus some of em will dance partly because it's Umek (In other words, they would not dance to the same style if it was you ordinary beginner Techno-ish DJ spinning)

Dave Clark - He never bores, he uses effects quite often and has very energetic tracks and long mixes (Not too familiar with him so don't catch me on that but my friend played me about 3 of his sets which have that in common)

Carl Cox - The big name factor is very, very strong here, plus again very energetic.

I also am of the opinion techno isn't boring. But boring doesn't mean monotonous. I have the feeling that techno is more monotonous than any other style. Well the kind of techno I mix usually. It's straight to the point music, and very energetic.

But what makes techno so interesting for me is just that monotonous aspect. In my eyes the dj really has to contribute to that energetic feel with tricks and energetic mixing. More than in trance or progressive where you can do occasional tricks, but you mainly let the tunes speak for themselves. I think as a dj you can "shape" the sound much more with techno.

Ben Sims

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Originally posted by Dj Thy I also am of the opinion techno isn't boring. But boring doesn't mean monotonous. I have the feeling that techno is more monotonous than any other style. Well the kind of techno I mix usually. It's straight to the point music, and very energetic. But what makes techno so interesting for me is just that monotonous aspect. In my eyes the dj really has to contribute to that energetic feel with tricks and energetic mixing. More than in trance or progressive where you can do occasional tricks, but you mainly let the tunes speak for themselves. I think as a dj you can "shape" the sound much more with techno.

Prett much what I was trying to say, except I still find Techno a bit boring (Own taste... well), at least listening to a single track playing, it's Techno sets which for me is what Techno is all about

i find it quite difficult to fall asleep while listening to techno

you dont have anything chill in the songs that even makes you tired or anything

the only thing thats possible to get out of techno, is the willing to stay up, the willing to dance and rokk on until you die!

you dont have these melodic parts without no beat at all and stuff, like in trance

its in these parts you fall asleep, or when the music is some kind of a chilling melody which can only make you think of sleeping

about the mixing, yes techno is harder to mix.
1. more drums --> easier to miss the matching
2. no buildup in the beginning, and no breakdown in the end of the track (suddenly stops etc9
3. harder to cue, and making the transition flawless

the only thing that can help you improve ur skills @ mixing techno = to practice

prac prac prac prac prac
prac all day long
one day you will be paid back for all the praccing :b

Actually I'm sorry to say that I got hazy and sleepy more than once when I sat and listened to Techno (Yes in a room with loud speakers), same with House, I guess I'm not the "Monotonous" kinda guy. I like Techno but I think it's more of a party adn DJ Friendly genre than a sit at home and enjoy each track kinda genre (Most of the Tech DJs I've talked with told me that they enjoy the "Complete" package of a set than each track alone, also thanks to the fact that they hear every track a lot in order to know it well).

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