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Together With You - Trance Track

Hello, this is my first post here, and I hope I'll have more to follow.

I've been learning my ways around production for about 4 years now, and I use Reason 4. My birthday, which just passed by recently, provided me with my first keyboard/MIDI controller (I was using my computer keyboard before), and it's helped me a ton on coming up with new melodies and generally finding cool sounds.

This is my first song made with it. It's a WIP, so C&C is what I'm looking for.

http://soundcloud.com/user6247158/together-with-you-1

BIG UPDATE
I added a ton of new stuff and fixed a lot of others. Give it a listen, it's changed a lot.

http://soundcloud.com/user6247158/together-with-you-2

Alright, so when the song starts off the melody is a little weak, on the low end you could add a bit more. About your bass, I'd say take out the offbeat and replace it with a full not and sidechain it. The mixdown sounds a little weird, you could try bringing out the main melody a bit more to add some life.

I originally had the bass arpeggiated but some issues with mastering it so that the higher notes weren't overbearing caused me to replace it. I still have the original notes in, so I'll replace it and see what you think.

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Ok, updated it. I'm having some trouble figuring out what happened to the bass. It got really muddy and it's overpowering the rest of the song.

Added new content

Hey so I'm listening to the latest version you have updated up there.

- Upbeat right from the beginning

- That arp seems like it might be taking up a lot of space because the other sounds muddy.

- Bass just came in and its nice and deep, but its overwhelming the track. Bad mixdown?

- Pads dropped in and im really digging this feeling. I like all these sounds a lot.

- Breakdown was pretty good Diff snare sound would definitely do it though. That one is a bit cliche?

- Second breakdown? I didn't feel the buildup like for the first one.

Pros: synths, deep bassline, driving energy
Cons: poor mixdown, second buildup/breakdown

Overall: 7/10

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Originally posted by Lindo Hey so I'm listening to the latest version you have updated up there. - Upbeat right from the beginning - That arp seems like it might be taking up a lot of space because the other sounds muddy. - Bass just came in and its nice and deep, but its overwhelming the track. Bad mixdown? - Pads dropped in and im really digging this feeling. I like all these sounds a lot. - Breakdown was pretty good Diff snare sound would definitely do it though. That one is a bit cliche? - Second breakdown? I didn't feel the buildup like for the first one. Pros: synths, deep bassline, driving energy Cons: poor mixdown, second buildup/breakdown Overall: 7/10

Thanks, really helpful! Mastering is definitely not my strong point, so if you have any advice on what I could do, I'd really appreciate it. Some free snare samples could help too, I can't seem to find any good ones and I ended up using a factory sample out of Reason. I'm glad you mentioned the synths though because I programmed them all myself

Listening now as well.

You have a very nice uplifting sound, which is a plus. For starters i'd say your kick sounds a little weak, and the entire intro is a little bland. Also, its a little unusual to start with the melody from the very beginning? maybe bring that in after a couple measures or something. The kick and bass combination sound a little weak.

I really like the stabby melody that comes in during the first build, sounds nice, also good in combination with your harmony.

You have a lot of good stuff working for you in this song, but I think there needs to be more movement and progression!

you have really nice sounds though, definitely keep it up!

Honesty is the best when it comes to production advice:

The Kick is way to mellow when compared to the melodic line you have there early in the track.

The melodic line early in the track is far too energetic compared to the rest of the production. It also lacks anything to draw me to its energy.

The majority of the percussion feels like an afterthought. The low end is bland while the high end cymbals clash by being overly load to me.

The lead is simple but constructed alright.

Still needs a lot of work I think. I'm not hearing a good direction yet personally.

everything that darthseph has said and also try and wright a melody line that will grab everyones attention...Over all everying sounds quite thin?

keep working dude

Thanks everyone. If I could ask one favor, where could I get some better percussion samples? I'm using the factory ones and they're awful. I search all over the place but I can never find any decent sounding ones.

I read over all of the critique and I'll try to work more towards your suggestions.

Nice ideas and I pretty much agree with what's already been said.

You mention mastering but I think most of the issues with the track lie in the mixing rather than the mastering. What are you doing on the master channel at the moment?

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Originally posted by tehlord Nice ideas and I pretty much agree with what's already been said. You mention mastering but I think most of the issues with the track lie in the mixing rather than the mastering. What are you doing on the master channel at the moment?

I have a compressor, equalizer, etc. in there. Pretty much the mandatory basic stuff. I don't know much more about it.

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Originally posted by Snake31 I have a compressor, equalizer, etc. in there. Pretty much the mandatory basic stuff. I don't know much more about it.

Well don't take this the wrong way but if you don't really know what they're doing then there's little point in them being there. And I assume you mean the compressor and EQ are on the master channel?

It might be worth removing all the compression and EQ you have on the master channel and render the stereo output as a WAV. Before you do this you can spend as much time as possible getting the mix as good as you can get it pre mastering.

Once you've done this you have two choices. One is to send it to a professional for mastering (really not that expensive any more) or spend the next year or so learning and experimenting exactly what all those plugs do on the master channel.

I really don't mean to sound patronising but if you don't know why you need it, you don't need it.

I'm still on that learning curve and it's damn frustrationg sometimes

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Originally posted by tehlord Well don't take this the wrong way but if you don't really know what they're doing then there's little point in them being there. And I assume you mean the compressor and EQ are on the master channel? It might be worth removing all the compression and EQ you have on the master channel and render the stereo output as a WAV. Before you do this you can spend as much time as possible getting the mix as good as you can get it pre mastering. Once you've done this you have two choices. One is to send it to a professional for mastering (really not that expensive any more) or spend the next year or so learning and experimenting exactly what all those plugs do on the master channel. I really don't mean to sound patronising but if you don't know why you need it, you don't need it. I'm still on that learning curve and it's damn frustrationg sometimes

It's not like I'm completely clueless, I'm still learning the software. I know what each mastering component does. I'm learning all of the in-betweens with Reason.

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