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Really disturbing shit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

been reading this and all sorts of stuff like this at work.

and: has anyone seen this?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093170/

Yeah my mate had a copy of the book. This is why there's still a bit of bad blood between Japan and China. It got stirred up again a couple of years ago when koizumi visited the veterans' shrine.

Re: jeebus

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Originally posted by R.j. Really disturbing shit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

I haven't even heard of this before now

Mental stuff.

so much of japanese history is like that

they were a completely insane imperial power...
the stuff they did to both china and korea during the last 200 years... no wonder both korea and china still hate japan..

i still like the khmer rhouge stuff with pol pot killing a quarter of his population then being funded by the US...

"The Khmer Rouge, still led by Pol Pot, was the strongest of the three rebel groups in the government, and received extensive military aid from China, Britain and the United States and intelligence from the Thai military. Western secret services also trained the Khmer Rouge in military camps in Thailand and Malaysia. Eastern and central Cambodia were firmly under the control of Vietnam and its Cambodian allies by 1980, while the western part of the country continued to be a battlefield throughout the 1980s, and millions of landmines were sown across the countryside."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_rouge

great and intricate conflict

also the subject of a brilliant punk tune:



'so, ya been to school for a year or two and you know you've seen it all...'
haha

Yeah, it�s a bit shit that germany gets all the WW2 respect but nobody pays homage to japan.

And seriously, don�t they teach 20th C history in school anymore?

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Originally posted by ******** Know what is also pretty gruesome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic...ma_and_Nagasaki

maybe they'll think twice before starting a war again.

I don�t need some barely-literate revisionist trying to give me lessons on WW2.

The nuclear issue aside, if you think there are examples of allied (apart from russian) war crimes that are comparable to what the japanese, germans and russians got up to then you need to go back to school.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I don�t need some barely-literate revisionist trying to give me lessons on WW2. The nuclear issue aside, if you think there are examples of allied war crimes that are comparable to what the japanese, germans and russians got up to then you need to go back to school.

The Russians are still doing it thank you very much... I'll not have you denigrate the abusive skills of my people!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN The nuclear issue aside, if you think there are examples of allied (apart from russian) war crimes that are comparable to what the japanese, germans and russians got up to then you need to go back to school.

This.

The vanquished are always criminals. Or is crime the province of the vanquished? Has to be something like that.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On The vanquished are always criminals. Or is crime the province of the vanquished? Has to be something like that.

oh fuck that shit. yes yes, history written by the victors blah blah hippy blah. this does not apply in the case of WW2.

Ah yes, forgot you were there.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Ah yes, forgot you were there.

Yeah sorry, its not like WW2 is the most researched and examined period of human history or anything.

What can be said? Making shit up takes time. This very post took me like 14 minutes just to type.

lols.

pics or it didn't happen

We can discern political motives for altering almost any historical event you can think of.

Based on this, should we assume that the academics and researchers who write the history books are affiliated with said political interests, calling essentially all history into question to the extent that nothing can be said with any degree of confidence?

Or is war a specific case in which normally objective historians drop their objectivity more readily than usual?

Also what about the German and Japanese historians researching WW2 from their end? Who pressures them?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Ah yes, forgot you were there.

The really tragic thing about Japanese people and the war is that it really blinded them. Here in Brazil there was a bloody feud between the "derrotists" (who acknowledged the fact that Japan lost the war) and the "victorists" (who believed Japan had won it). Loads of people were assassinated because of this insanity

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Originally posted by Lira The really tragic thing about Japanese people and the war is that it really blinded them. Here in Brazil there was a bloody feud between the "derrotists" (who acknowledged the fact that Japan lost the war) and the "victorists" (who believed Japan had won it). Loads of people were assassinated because of this insanity

What's the relationship b/w japan and Brazil?.. I am ignorant.

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Originally posted by astroboy What's the relationship b/w japan and Brazil?

Lira.

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Originally posted by astroboy What's the relationship b/w japan and Brazil?.. I am ignorant.

We've got the biggest Japanese colony overseas, why do you think I hang out with so many of them? They're everywhere I go

And, on top of that, Japan and Brazil fought against one another during the war. So, when the news came that Japan had lost it, some nationalist knob-heads came to the conclusion that it was American propaganda, and all settlers that believed in it should die. The few occasions in which the local non-Japanese population got involved, they ended up lynching everyone that looked Japanese in the cities where the riots broke out (I think it was Bastos and Lins). That's one of the reasons why I'm strongly opposed to both conspiracy theories and nationalism.

There's an awesomely interesting book about it in Portuguese (it's on my Goodreads, and it's called "Corações Sujos" ). And here's a short article on our relationship.

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Originally posted by Lira We've got the biggest Japanese colony overseas, why do you think I hang out with so many of them? They're everywhere I go And, on top of that, Japan and Brazil fought against one another during the war. So, when the news came that Japan had lost it, some nationalist knob-heads came to the conclusion that it was American propaganda, and all settlers that believed in it should die. The few occasions in which the local non-Japanese population got involved, they ended up lynching everyone that looked Japanese in the cities where the riots broke out (I think it was Bastos and Lins). That's one of the reasons why I'm strongly opposed to both conspiracy theories and nationalism. There's an awesomely interesting book about it in Portuguese (it's on my Goodreads, and it's called "Corações Sujos" ). And here's a short article on our relationship.

Cool.. I didn't know any of that!

haha, just saw that today:

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