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My guess as to why dance music is more disposable than ever

I hadn't listening to this song for months, so the other day I listened to Rank 1 - Symfo. All of the excitement surrounded by listening to a new track was gone, and my enjoyment was being supplanted by low level anxiety.

I heard somewhere that over compressed music can create this effect.

So now I don't even want the damn thing on as background music because it will bother me. The only part that I could enjoy was the drop because it wasn't so in your face.


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On the other hand...I can listen to Quivver - Brothers and Sisters over and over. It has more microdynamics than most pop EDM.

The music industry is so unstable right now that labels are terrified to put money into anything that is not 'guaranteed' to sell a ton of units. They're only interested in what's 'safe', which is why we hear the same tired garbage over and over again. It's a fear thing.

the quality of dance music nowadays is just shit.

Don't be so pessimistic. EDM these days IS shit because it's way too easy for some moron to try and be a DJ Hero and make some tunes. Let the DJ be your guide. Find a favorite DJ and listen to his sets. They'll do the picking for you and then you don't have to go through all the crap music.

compression is a big problem yes. please help stop it by dont buy overcompressed music and forget about the shitty mastering fashion when producing yourself.

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Originally posted by palm compression is a big problem yes. please help stop it by dont buy overcompressed music and forget about the shitty mastering fashion when producing yourself.

I disagree. I feel the loudness wars are really calming down as the public is becoming aware of the engineer's error. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

calming down isnt enough, me must go 15 years back in time to get good sound again. 1994, everything sounded fucking awesome.

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Originally posted by palm calming down isnt enough, me must go 15 years back in time to get good sound again. 1994, everything sounded fucking awesome.

You just have to take modern music for what it is. The best of it are still great songs, loud as they may be ... Engineering is one thing, song writing is just as important, though.

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Originally posted by palm calming down isnt enough, me must go 15 years back in time to get good sound again. 1994, everything sounded fucking awesome.

Agreed. Bring back early-mid 90's production.

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Originally posted by alanzo You just have to take modern music for what it is. The best of it are still great songs, loud as they may be ... Engineering is one thing, song writing is just as important, though.

lol yeah and the song-writing is even worse than the soundquality.
its all shit. its so fucking rare i find anything worth listening to anymore, any genre what so ever.

Too far back. Mid 90s and everything wasn't clear enough in most tracks and the mastering was woefully inadequate compared to today, yet today it's overdone.

Middle ground is what we need. With everything we've learnt over the years and the kickass equipment we now have, why would we want to go back to an inferior product?

because no matter what gear u have the standard is still 16bit, and that only allows what it allows. and not to mention mp3, we have 1/4th of the avaliable info in todays "best" commercial format compared to CDs in the 90s. and thats the best. normal is half of that again, like 1/8th or 1/12th of the info compared to before. fuck mp3, compression and all that shit. goodnight.

and all this time, i thought i was going deaf cuz i wasn't hearing as much of the dynamics in music as years ago. i didn't realize the misuse of compression for loudness was that prevalent.

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Originally posted by palm calming down isnt enough, me must go 15 years back in time to get good sound again. 1994, everything sounded fucking awesome.

+1 on the mid 90's

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Originally posted by palm lol yeah and the song-writing is even worse than the soundquality. its all shit. its so fucking rare i find anything worth listening to anymore, any genre what so ever.

Then you're listening too the wrong music or to suck up your own arse.

We should just globally chip in a few bucks each, send it to Trevor Horn and see what he comes up with.

I'd listen to that.

stop being rude, FUCKS

Once again I agree with Alan lol.

Anyone can download the latest version of w/e cracked bs is floating around piratebay these days, and anyone can go around pretending they "produce EDM for a living".

I don't think the quality of music has actually changed, I think the ratio of shit tracks to good tracks has, and it just gives that perception. (well maybe that still technically refers to "quality")
Rather then listen to 10 songs now to find 1 I like, I mave have to hear 25 or 30.. or more. Just more dirt to sift through imo.

You would think though at the same time just because more people seem to be making music, that more natural musicians would be discovered, so its hard for me to buy into the whole notion that music today sucks. I don't beleive it. In all honesty I think someone people get so obsessed with a certain genre, they listen to it SO MUCH, that they make themselves sick of it, and it can have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the music.

Just as a thought.

edit: I don't want to make it sound like I'm an exception because I'm not, I just didn't crack my version of FL =]. But the difference with me is when I produce a shit track, I am in no way going to try promoting that track. Other people aren't like that, so I do try to seperate myself even though I'm guilty of being part of the "new generation" of producers or w/e you'd call it.

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Originally posted by alanzo Let the DJ be your guide. Find a favorite DJ and listen to his sets. They'll do the picking for you and then you don't have to go through all the crap music.

I think this is what got the industry in so much shit. If you listen to ASOT or Tiesto or other "top 20" of EDM, you'll definitely be thinking that having shitty vocals with idiotic lyrics and cheesy melody was the way to go. Some time ago these guys were trailblazers but then they realized there's a shitload of money to be made by making EDM more palatable, leading us to where we are today.

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Originally posted by aNYthing I think this is what got the industry in so much shit. If you listen to ASOT or Tiesto or other "top 20" of EDM, you'll definitely be thinking that having shitty vocals with idiotic lyrics and cheesy melody was the way to go. Some time ago these guys were trailblazers but then they realized there's a shitload of money to be made by making EDM more palatable, leading us to where we are today.

Why do you have to pick the top 20 DJs?

It could be anyone. Theres people who submit mixes on youtube that are pretty fvckn good imo, theres friends I have who mix in clubs right down the road who help me find new tracks. There is a ton of DJs besides Tiesto, and tiesto is one of the last people I'd go to for new tracks.

Just have more faith in people, not everyone is gonna go flock to ASOT for thier music. And again, I think its the change in technology that caused this shift, and I think it would have happened whether or not we had DJs monopolizing the music industry. I could obviously be wrong, but I do think stronger forces are at work, and technology is a much stronger force imo.

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Originally posted by alanzo Then you're listening too the wrong music or to suck up your own arse.

+1, musically trance is doing things now that it's never done before if you dig deep enough. You could complain about having to dig, but I defy you to name any other genre that doesn't have its own fair share of garbage that needs picking through itself.

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Originally posted by Kysora +1, musically trance is doing things now that it's never done before if you dig deep enough. You could complain about having to dig, but I defy you to name any other genre that doesn't have its own fair share of garbage that needs picking through itself.

Yes, its like this with most other entertainment as well, music, movies and games also suffers from the same.

good thread, got my mind going a bit

compression just cliqued for me. tripping out here. sound can be tricky because you can't "see" it. compression doesn't change anything except the loudness of something, if some lower frequencies aren't as loud as some of the higher ones, a compressor will match them both based on the parameters you set. correct me if i'm wrong. also, i need to become more aware of the attack and release, and all the params really,.

Is it just me, or is it mostly a fashion statement to bitch about how much every person's favorite genre sucks and keeps getting suckier? That's not aimed at anyone in particular, but it seems that every forum I've been on for as long I can remember has people comlaining incessantly about how much their favorite genre sucks, is being destroyed by a handful of "sellouts", keeps getting worse, etc.

I hope I never I get so old that I can't appreciate new music.

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