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FLS piano roll - what's the big deal?
Let me start by saying that this is *NOT* intended to be an FLS-bashing thread, just a case of an inquiring mind wanting to know.
Some comments regarding DAWs on another forum reminded me that I see comments saying that fruity's piano roll the "best", "second to none", "easiest", etc all the time, but I've never seen or heard anything to back it up. I bought FLS years ago, but never spent much time with it. However, on the few occasions that I have used its PR, I have yet to see how/why it could be considered superior to any other DAW - I am proficient in Sonar, Cubase, Project5, and to a much lesser extent, Live, and I haven't seen anything (from my admittedly little experience) in FLS that would make it better than any of these.
So, what am I missing? Is it possible that it's just a case of people who have little/no experience with other DAWs making this claim? For those of you who are proficient in FLS and other DAWs, how do you think they compare? Please enlighten me.
I used to use it, have owned and used Reason and Cubase and i'm currently learning Live, and FL does have the best piano role imo. I can't quite put my finger on it but it feels faster than others. The right click to delete is a stroke of genius too.
I dont think it's too different from Cubase's tbh
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| Originally posted by tehlord The right click to delete is a stroke of genius too. |
it's just straight forward and to the point, no dicking around and very time efficient
best - FL
worst - live
I find Sony Acid 7's piano roll a lot easier to work with than FL. Acid also allows you to 'right click' when deleting a note, if you use the 'paint brush' tool.
In fact, I would say that 'Magix Samplitude 11' has the best piano roll compared to any workstation. It's sophisticated, has an 'event editor', easy to use, looks nice, and lots of midi features. Cakewalk Project 5 is also has a really nice piano roll. But too bad they discontinued it. I would've use it only if it had the ability to 'insert busses' and 'multi-core' support.
It's odd, I can't seem to pin point it either! The FLS piano roll is the best I have used, I seem to work quicker with it and I feel more comfortable with it than any other piano roll. I think it also has a lot to do with ease of use, everything is there right in front of you, mere milliseconds away.
The aesthetics are good as well 
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(I'm proficient in Live and FLS)
I'm not proficient in Reason or Live in any way, but I couldn't even find the damned piano roll in Live after about 20 minutes of looking, and after about an hour of poking around with Reason I barely managed to put together a melody, I could see working with it for an entire song being a real pain in the ass.
FL Studio's piano roll is really all I know and I've never once had a problem with it.
That's the main thing that keeps me using FL I think.. Workflow wise its the worst.. but hey.. better the devil you know =)
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| Originally posted by cryophonik Several other DAWs have this feature as well, or can be configured to do the same/similar. |
you could always play on the PR then export out the midi file
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| Originally posted by evo8 Wish Live had it |
The kludginess of that "piano roll" was one of the reasons I switched. Vastly prefer the way Cubase handles it.
Edit: WTF, WHY DOES IT FILTER THAT!!?!?!?
I've used FL, Reason and Live as my primary sequencer at various times - for me Cubases's workflow, including the piano roll, are the quickest and easiest to use. To each their own, though. If some people see FL's piano roll as the best, good luck to them.
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| Originally posted by DigiNut The kludginess of that ****** roll"... |
i've only fucked around with fl studio and reason, and i thought fl's piano roll was much much more user-friendly than reason's. then again, i was accustomed to fl's for a long time, so maybe it was just because i wasn't used to it. the automatic snapping to grid with 1/4, 1/6, etc makes creating straight or triplet patterns a snap; and then holding shift while moving a note (no um.. "snapping" i guess) makes it easy to syncopate/"humanize" a pattern. also, editing velocity, volume, panning, automation, etc right underneath the piano roll is pretty fuckin convenient.
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| Originally posted by Beatflux Pencil Tool -> Click On Note |
Maybe it's just me but I find Live's piano roll to be very easy to use. I don't understand why everyone hates it so much, especially people who say they could'nt find the piano roll. You click on a midi clip and it shows up, it's very simple actually.
If Live's was detachable that would be a start
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| Originally posted by evo8 If Live's was detachable that would be a start |
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| Originally posted by G-Con Yes, but Ableton deliberately don't want anything to be detachable or anything to open in a new window. With every new feature, they find a way to incorporate it into the existing layout. This may be an annoyance to some but for the majority of Live users, including myself, this is one of the plus points of Live over other daws. |
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| Originally posted by Acton True, but I certainly wouldn't mind the option of having the piano roll etc being shown seperate on a second monitor. |
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| Originally posted by G-Con Yes, but Ableton deliberately don't want anything to be detachable or anything to open in a new window. With every new feature, they find a way to incorporate it into the existing layout. This may be an annoyance to some but for the majority of Live users, including myself, this is one of the plus points of Live over other daws. |
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| Originally posted by cryophonik Are you referring to FLS or Live? |
One of the main reasons that I like live is its lack of detachable windows. I think it makes live feel like an integrated whole rather than a patchwork of different modules.
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