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Posted by LoveHate on Jan-20-2010 14:42:

is it safe to say you must low cut everything?

even the really higher stuff?


Posted by Acton on Jan-20-2010 14:49:

If the frequencies aren't being used in the construction of the sound I want, then I get rid of them. Always.


Posted by tehlord on Jan-20-2010 14:54:

Pretty much yep.

Experiment.


Create a 10 channel mix and then render 16 bars with low cuts and then without.

You should see a definate difference in the clarity of the mix.


Posted by Subtle on Jan-20-2010 14:59:

Yes! unless you hear significant improvements to the sound if not doing so.

A common mistake many people do is to not cut the low end of the synths.


Posted by aNYthing on Jan-20-2010 15:05:

I recall there was some mention of a plugin that gave you visual representation o the frequencies and showed your "hot" frequencies - eg busy / overloaded bands. Can someone refresh my memory / recommend one?

But also, while you may cut some frequencies, you may suck the life out of a track - some transients need room. As old adage goes - listen on various sources - car stereo, boombox, alarm clock with shitty one speaker and iPod dock, iPhone speaker.

Close the door and listen from another room. And then still not know what to do about crappy mudpie you slapped togeher


Posted by DEAD_MOOSE on Jan-20-2010 15:06:

A little bit of low band muddiness can often glue a mix together. On the whole you should take away as much of the low content you don't require in order to free some headroom.

Personally I think a lot of new producers use highpass to overkill and end up losing that lovely intermodulation you get with certain sounds playing together and covering a similar band between the bass and lowmid area. They can sometimes glue and add a human warmth very similar to what happens in an orchestra live.


Posted by Acton on Jan-20-2010 15:17:

quote:
Originally posted by aNYthing
I recall there was some mention of a plugin that gave you visual representation o the frequencies and showed your "hot" frequencies - eg busy / overloaded bands. Can someone refresh my memory / recommend one?


I believe the FL Studio EQ does something similar.


Posted by Sonic_c on Jan-20-2010 15:38:

I always cut everything below 60hz and bass below 50hz. You know what i find amazing though some manages to get through i proved this to myself by mixing it to -3 on the master bus and applying a low cut on the master bus as well and the volume jumped up to -0.5. i checked all the channels and eveysingle on including fx sends had the low cut applied.

Another good thing to do on weeding out problem frequencies (although some srgue it thins sounds too much) is to do a parametric sweep. Take a parametric eq or for instance cubases Q filter. Turn the Q down to the lowest it will go like 0.5 or something and (making sure monitors are turned down) boost that band by 20db and sweep it across the frequencies. The most powerful (in some peoples mind the trouble freqs) will suddenly jump out as horrible sounding volume spikes. Then you simply chop that freq out and becasue the Q is so small the sound remains almost the same just a bit thinner and definatley more clear. Some people like it, and it works for me.


Posted by Kysora on Jan-20-2010 16:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Acton
I believe the FL Studio EQ does something similar.


Yup, the FL Parametric EQ2 shows frequencies by color, and gets more saturated as the freqs get louder. I usually have one on every channel and on the master, even if I don't manipulate anything on it.

I literally just recently started low-cutting pretty much everything that wasn't meant to have a presence in it -- my production quality has always been a low point for me but now things come through much, much clearer than before. I doubt I know exactly what I'm doing yet but it's definitely helping one way or another.


Posted by cryophonik on Jan-20-2010 17:17:

quote:
Originally posted by DEAD_MOOSE
A little bit of low band muddiness can often glue a mix together. On the whole you should take away as much of the low content you don't require in order to free some headroom.

Personally I think a lot of new producers use highpass to overkill and end up losing that lovely intermodulation you get with certain sounds playing together and covering a similar band between the bass and lowmid area. They can sometimes glue and add a human warmth very similar to what happens in an orchestra live.


I agree 100% I especially don't like the arbitrary hi-passing of everything at a given pre-determined frequency - it should always be done by using your ears IMO because every sound has a different frequency range and interacts differently in any given context (i.e., the frequency range of the other instruments in the track). Also, I find that sometimes, you can get better gelling of your sounds if you group similar sounds (e.g., strings, pads) to a buss and hi-pass them as a group (again, using your ears) before compressing them.


Posted by Storyteller on Jan-20-2010 17:25:

I only cut what doesn't audibly changes the full mix. This way you cut out irrelevant content which clogs up the mix.

Apart from that I also cut a bit more where I think is necessary of course.


Posted by Zak McKracken on Jan-20-2010 23:10:

stuff is getting generic if doing this too much imo. even a hihat should have some info lower down, its actual air moving in real life and that should be reproduced in stereo too. unless u plan to compress the hell out of it in order to make it sound loud on tv and radio.


Posted by Beatflux on Jan-21-2010 00:40:

The steepness of the filter can vary so you still get some warmth coming through on the low to mid-end. Or you could use a low shelf filter and just take off some of the lows.


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Posted by Zak McKracken on Jan-21-2010 18:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Beatflux
The steepness of the filter can vary so you still get some warmth coming through on the low to mid-end. Or you could use a low shelf filter and just take off some of the lows.

i rather boost the lows. i like my bass


Posted by chick on Jan-21-2010 22:22:

I have a question.

In reason I put an EQ on a synth to cut lows. I dont know how its with other DAWs but in reason you can cut -18 db.
Then i think it sounds OK but if I put another EQ and do the same cut, i can hear that the EQ before didn't cut all lows.
So if I want to get rid of all lowend I have to use 2 or sometimes even 3 equalizers. Is this necessary or is it better if a synth has some small amount of low frequencies?


Posted by Sonic_c on Jan-21-2010 22:42:

Try puttong the eq between your mixer and the hardware output thingy at the top of reason and applying a low cut to your master as well.


Posted by chick on Jan-21-2010 23:02:

and how would this help?
hope you're not trying to be funny


Posted by Sonic_c on Jan-21-2010 23:05:

quote:
Originally posted by chick
and how would this help?


Erm i did just help? did you not get it ?

As in low cut on your synth eq and also low cut on master eq too?

Lol stfu as if i wont bother next time


Posted by Sonic_c on Jan-21-2010 23:06:

quote:
Originally posted by chick
stfu if you cant help


Dont think i didnt see you before you edited your post!


Posted by chick on Jan-21-2010 23:16:

sorry i was too rough, but it really sounded to me like you're making a joke..because i dont get it. if you cut lows on master EQ you also cut it on bass and kick, what's the point?


Posted by chick on Jan-21-2010 23:30:

Ok i get it now. I always cut <30hz on my master. Seems like you didn't get my question. I was asking if it's better to use 2 EQs to really cut all lows or just 1 and leave small amount of low.


Posted by Sonic_c on Jan-21-2010 23:36:

you cant hear much below 50hz anyway so if you cut below 50hz on your kick and bass it will help you!


Posted by Sonic_c on Jan-21-2010 23:59:

quote:
Originally posted by chick
Ok i get it now. I always cut <30hz on my master. Seems like you didn't get my question. I was asking if it's better to use 2 EQs to really cut all lows or just 1 and leave small amount of low.


You shouldnt really have to use 2 eqs to do that one should be enough if its set correctly. Have you actually got a specrum analyser on the sound and looked at it as it plays with one eq or two eqs I bet just one eq is fine.


Posted by Beatflux on Jan-22-2010 01:25:

quote:
Originally posted by palm
i rather boost the lows. i like my bass


Don't boost the lows...just turn up your monitors. Hehe.


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