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Teachers, parents and upbringing.

I came across an article online that states that head teachers' leaders fear they could be forced to snoop in children's lunch boxes under plans to tackle obesity.

What are your thoughts on this?.. How much input from teachers into the lives of children is appropriate?

I know that in an ideal world all children would be well brought up and healthily fed by their parents... However, in shcools where this is not always the case to what extent are teachers to replace that upbringing?

My own opinion is as much as necessary and practical.

If a child is being brought up poorly, whether behaviouraly or in terms of diet, then intervention that potentially circomvents the parent is for the best of both the child and the greater society that that child will grow to be part of.

Thoughts?

There are no laws against feeding kids junk.

If the parents feed the child unhealthy food daily, then the teacher should be able to interfere. Better yet a social worker should pay a visit to those parents. We currently have enough fatties to make fun of, no more are needed

mass sterilization of people unfit to be parents.

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Originally posted by leph555 If the parents feed the child unhealthy food daily, then the teacher should be able to interfere. Better yet a social worker should pay a visit to those parents. We currently have enough fatties to make fun of, no more are needed

Wtf?

It isn�t a teacher�s job to raise kids. Does anyone really think that monitoring 5 meals a week is gonna make any difference? why bother? fuck the fat little cvnts.

There are a number of decent pieces on the food companies that feed public school kids, and the quality of food is pretty poor. A lot of high schools -the one I attended included- have 'a la carte' available for students offered as an alternative to school lunch. This results in most kids eating tortilla chips w/ cheese, a slice of pizza or a salted pretzel w/ cheese for lunch day in and day out. When I was in HS our school store had soda and candy/snacks of all sorts for sale. It's since been replaced with 'healthier' options. It was great as a student but in retrospect explains my physical condition

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Wtf? It isn�t a teacher�s job to raise kids. Does anyone really think that monitoring 5 meals a week is gonna make any difference? why bother? fuck the fat little cvnts.

it actually could make quite the difference considering most junk lunches can have almost as much calories as the recommended daily intake. It is 5 times they will eat less leading american children to be 200lbs instead of 250.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Wtf? It isn�t a teacher�s job to raise kids. Does anyone really think that monitoring 5 meals a week is gonna make any difference? why bother? fuck the fat little cvnts.

But it's the job of schools to prepare children to function in the adult world, in whatever way is necessary.

Why leave the welfare of a child up to parents who are displaying incompetance.

Yes it is the job of the parents, but it's the job of the parents to do it right. If they aren't doing the job then someone has to.

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Originally posted by Enigmatik But it's the job of schools to prepare children to function in the adult world, in whatever way is necessary. Why leave the welfare of a child up to parents who are displaying incompetance. Yes it is the job of the parents, but it's the job of the parents to do it right. If they aren't doing the job then someone has to.

a school's job is to give them basic tools to succeed in regards to knowledge, not function as 2nd parents. Teachers aren't paid enough to care that much.

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Originally posted by Schadenfreude it actually could make quite the difference considering most junk lunches can have almost as much calories as the recommended daily intake. It is 5 times they will eat less leading american children to be 200lbs instead of 250.

If a parent is sending their child to school with a lunchbox full of shit, then chances are that child is eating shit at home, on the weekends, during the school holidays etc.

pkc you know i have a master plan for all of this, i just need people to help me introduce my doctrine with an iron fist.

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Originally posted by Enigmatik But it's the job of schools to prepare children to function in the adult world, in whatever way is necessary. Why leave the welfare of a child up to parents who are displaying incompetance. Yes it is the job of the parents, but it's the job of the parents to do it right.

If a school wants to monitor the food that is provided on campus, then that�s fine. But you can�t really agree that rifling through a child�s/parent�s possessions looking for naughty food is appropriate? Especially considering there�s no real harm in the occasional bit of shit food- what about the skinny, healthy people? are you going to go through their lunchbox too, or are you just going to discriminate against the fatties?

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Originally posted by Enigmatik If they aren't doing the job then someone has to.

Why?

Why not go further- why not get the school to buy a child�s uniforms if the parent�s cant afford them? Give them lifts to school? Help their parents get over their alcohol addiction? Where does a school�s paternalism begin and end?

You cant make up for shit parents.

If the teachers notice a pattern of unhealthy foods, I don't think it's out of line to send some information home with the kid to try to inform the parent and I also don't think there's a problem with schools or teachers helping out a parent or family who asks for more information.
I applaud courses on good nutrition and I'm fully behind schools cutting the crap out of the cafeteria and vending machines to help encourage good habits. That's all I'm saying.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J There are no laws against feeding kids junk.

There should be. Of course, any such law would be impractical and impossible to enforce.

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Originally posted by Enigmatik If the teachers notice a pattern of unhealthy foods, I don't think it's out of line to send some information home with the kid to try to inform the parent and I also don't think there's a problem with schools or teachers helping out a parent or family who asks for more information. I applaud courses on good nutrition and I'm fully behind schools cutting the crap out of the cafeteria and vending machines to help encourage good habits. That's all I'm saying.

Oh yeah, for sure. but if a parent continues to feed their children garbage, then that�s just tough, wobbly titties for them.

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Originally posted by Domesticated the childhood fatty There should be.

Why? Raising your child poorly is an inalienable right enshrined in everyone�s scrotum or ovaries.

No it's not. No more than a parent has the right to choose their child's religion.

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Originally posted by Domesticated No it's not. No more than a parent has the right to choose their child's religion.

Im sorry to disappoint you but a parent has exactly that right. Which world have you been living on?

There are no laws against bad parenting. Nor could there be either, because nobody would ever agree on the statutes.

yet they do this constantly.

master plan guys, think about it.

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Originally posted by Domesticated There should be.

Because a parent isn't allowed to make decisions on behalf of the child but the government is?

Re: Teachers, parents and upbringing.

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Originally posted by Enigmatik I came across an article online that states that head teachers' leaders fear they could be forced to snoop in children's lunch boxes under plans to tackle obesity. What are your thoughts on this?.. How much input from teachers into the lives of children is appropriate? I know that in an ideal world all children would be well brought up and healthily fed by their parents... However, in shcools where this is not always the case to what extent are teachers to replace that upbringing? My own opinion is as much as necessary and practical. If a child is being brought up poorly, whether behaviouraly or in terms of diet, then intervention that potentially circomvents the parent is for the best of both the child and the greater society that that child will grow to be part of. Thoughts?

I worked at a charter school. We had some basic rules about what students could bring for lunch. No soda allowed and no sugary items for snack time. If we saw it we confiscated it. But besides that they were free to eat any crap they wanted like baloney sandwich. The biggest things public schools could do would be to offer a health lunch. A lot of schools today let kids pick whatever they want. So they could get 3 slices of pizza and a soda. Generally speaking federal subsidies encourage an unhealthy and unappetizing foods, such as canned fruits/vegetables instead of fresh and high fat foods like hamburger/cheese/meatloaf/pizza/etc.

I'm and advocate of sensible limits and healthy choices that taste good. But in order for that to happen the school would have to turn down government canned food and pay chefs who know how to cook.

I believe either chef Ramsey or the Naked chef started an experimental program where actually healthy food that tasted good was served.

how are you going to lure them into the van with apples man?

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Originally posted by igottaknow I worked at a charter school. We had some basic rules about what students could bring for lunch. No soda allowed and no sugary items for snack time. If we saw it we confiscated it.

This is why the whole notion is fucked up. I ate sugary items and drank Coke every day of school and I was both one of the fastest cross-country runners in my year with a BMI of about 18. Stay the fuck out of people's lives.

gingers are never big

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J This is why the whole notion is fucked up. I ate sugary items and drank Coke every day of school and I was both one of the fastest cross-country runners in my year with a BMI of about 18. Stay the fuck out of people's lives.

In addition to being not healthy. High sugar items would cause behavior problems. Not being able to sit quietly in their seats and concentrate on the teacher. So considering that they'd be hyperactive it wouldn't surprise me you could run faster. Unfortunately, running around the classroom isn't conducive to learning.

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