TranceAddict Forums (www.tranceaddict.com/forums)
- Canada - Toronto & Southern Ont.
-- Knee jerk reaction to Ped deaths coming? Councillor wants 10 kph less speed limits
Pages (5): [1] 2 3 4 5 »

Knee jerk reaction to Ped deaths coming? Councillor wants 10 kph less speed limits

Councillor Bill Saundercook is going to be on CP24 at 12:30. He is renewing his wacky idea of LOWERING ALL SPEED LIMITS IN TORONTO by 10 Km/h and using the pedestrian deaths in the past week as his excuse.

just imagine.. major roads with 30 km/h speed limit. Side roads at 20 km/h. WOW!

God forbid we ever blame a pedestrian for anything! Jwalking and yapping on a cell phone while crossing the street? Surely lowering the speed limit will solve that!




Toronto... what a joke

Re: Knee jerk reaction to Ped deaths coming? Councillor wants 10 kph less speed limits

quote:

Originally posted by Jayx1 Councillor Bill Saundercook is going to be on CP24 at 12:30. He is renewing his wacky idea of LOWERING ALL SPEED LIMITS IN TORONTO by 10 Km/h and using the pedestrian deaths in the past week as his excuse. just imagine.. major roads with 30 km/h speed limit. Side roads at 20 km/h. WOW! God forbid we ever blame a pedestrian for anything! Jwalking and yapping on a cell phone while crossing the street? Surely lowering the speed limit will solve that! Toronto... what a joke

This kind of senior citizen idea has been floated by councillors in many towns. I still remember some jackanape in Kitchener tossing out the idea when I used to live there in the 90's.

I think you ought to stick to railing against specific councillors as opposed to pissing & moaning how every time one(1)councillor has a brain dead idea that it's endemic to Toronto as a whole.

I mean fuck, if you hate it that much, move to a nice hardcore conservative city like Dallas. I'm sure the gun-toting, god loving, drunken rednecks with their ultra strict policies on anything that sounds like electronic dance music coming out of a club after 2am will sit just perfectly with you.

Oh, btw, other than the 70mph speed limit on the Dallas North Tollway, & 60mph on other freeways, when I was there the average speed limits I saw were 30mph (48km/h) on major arterial roads, and 20mph (32km/h) on most side streets.

i think they should buy pedestrians thicker glasses so they can see when a fucking car is coming.

Re: Re: Knee jerk reaction to Ped deaths coming? Councillor wants 10 kph less speed limits

quote:

Originally posted by The Ear This kinnd of senior citizen idea has been floated by councillors in many towns. I still remember some jackanape in Kitchener tossing out the idea when I used to live there in the 90's. I think you ought to stick to railing against specific councillors as opposed to pissing & moaning how every time one(1)councillor has a brain dead idea that it's endemic to Toronto as a whole. I mean fuck, if you hate it that much, move to a nice hardcore conservative city like Dallas. I'm sure the gun-toting, god loving, drunken rednecks with their ultra strict policies on anything that sounds like electronic dance music coming out of a club after 2am will sit just perfectly with you. Oh, btw, other than the 70mph speed limit on the Dallas North Tollway, & 60mph on other freeways, when I was there the average speed limits I saw were 30mph (48km/h) on major arterial roads, and 20mph (32km/h) on most side streets.

But this brain dead councillor is probably going to get his way. Because lets face it, most of city council is breandead. And whole elects the braindead council? The braindead electorate of Toronto.

But please dont change the topic with such things as moving to dallas.

Besides as a libertarian who is socially liberal and fiscally conservative, dallas would not be a place id be comfortable in either.

quote:

Originally posted by chinamon i think they should buy pedestrians thicker glasses so they can see when a fucking car is coming.

Winner!

BTW The Ear,

your post comes off to me as someone who agrees with me but cant bear the thought of actually agreeing with me so you go off on a tangent to disguise that fact.

In Russia car drives you and car is pedestrian!

They friggin lowered the speeds over here in residential streets to 40kmh!!! WTF

There's even talks to go ahead with 30kmh!!!

Like wtf, no one drives at those speeds, its just a money making scam.

quote:

Originally posted by malek They friggin lowered the speeds over here in residential streets to 40kmh!!! WTF There's even talks to go ahead with 30kmh!!! Like wtf, no one drives at those speeds, its just a money making scam.

we are well ahead of you. Sideroads here are 30 km/h and major roads are mostly 40 now.


If this passes expect 20/30 on most roads


btw if this does pass will this apply to cyclists as well? Considering they will be able to break the speed limit (and will) will they be fined as well? Considering that they already habitually run red lights and stop signs, drive the opposite way on one way streets and drive on sidewalks with impunity i gather the answer would be no.

quote:

Originally posted by Jayx1 BTW The Ear, your post comes off to me as someone who agrees with me but cant bear the thought of actually agreeing with me so you go off on a tangent to disguise that fact.

Nah. It's quite clear that I agree on this matter, & yet still disagree with your constant bitching about a city in which you choose to reside. So I offered up an example of a city to which I've been which enacts conservative policy and rejects "nanny-statism" (after all, isn't that what you're trying to escape from?) at almost every turn, and yet has painfully slow speed limits.

The real point is that there's a duality that exists in every city, so it doesn't matter where you go, you're going to have to deal with it.

Also, if you want to get down to the root of the problem, perhaps you should be bitching about the ridiculously low voter turnout in the demographic that you represent, as most policies are coming from the 50+ demographic as this is the one that: 1)Votes most consistently with the highest turnout; 2)Has the most money and therefore ability to sway politicians through campaign contribrutions and bribes; and 3)Will take the time to write a letter/email to bitch & whine about almost getting hit by a car while they were illegally crossing a street.

So perhaps, instead of painting the entire city with a brush weilded by a single councillor every time one of them opens their aging mouths to spew forth a policy that you disagree with, you should start getting constructive and organizing/mobilizing more of the key demographic which you represent. I for one won't let a friend get away with not paying attention to & voting on local political matters.

quote:

Originally posted by The Ear The real point is that there's a duality that exists in every city, so it doesn't matter where you go, you're going to have to deal with it.

but not quite to the extreme that we see festering here.

quote:

Also, if you want to get down to the root of the problem, perhaps you should be bitching about the ridiculously low voter turnout in the demographic that you represent, as most policies are coming from the 50+ demographic as this is the one that: 1)Votes most consistently with the highest turnout; 2)Has the most money and therefore ability to sway politicians through campaign contribrutions and bribes; and 3)Will take the time to write a letter/email to bitch & whine about almost getting hit by a car while they were illegally crossing a street.

I wholeheartedly agree. I have always encouraged people to vote for this reason. ESPECIALLY YOUNGER PEOPLE. I 100% agree with you here.

quote:

So perhaps, instead of painting the entire city with a brush weilded by a single councillor every time one of them opens their aging mouths to spew forth a policy that you disagree with, you should start getting constructive and organizing/mobilizing more of the key demographic which you represent. I for one won't let a friend get away with not paying attention to & voting on local political matters.

Well i guess you can then blame this both on people who do vote and those who dont right?

I def do my part when it comes to trying to convince peers to vote. Perhaps i should start more facebook groups and letter writing campaigns and use that to formulate protests? Maybe!

I love how instead of looking into taking away licenses from people who are clearly too old to drive, they are making everyone lives harder!

This is also a one sided view, you are assuming the drivers are at fault. What about the people how were struck while on the phone or were not crossing at the intersection.

People need to be more attentive when driving and walking. lowering the speed limit will not stop that problem

A car going at 30km/hr instead of 40km/hr will still kill a pedestrian that has their hoodie up, ipods blasting and steps out into the middle of the street without bothering to look both ways first.

Instead of getting knee-jerk reactionary and dropping speed limits, why not consider

- Stricter enforcing of jwalking laws, especially in heavy traffic areas?
- Doing analysis of high-impact areas to determine if longer times are needed at the intersections,
- See if more pedestrian crossing is needed in an area where it may be a long walk to the next intersection.

Or, I don't know - MP3 players and hoodies illegal.

I've been hit (thankfully nothing broke, just a severely bruised foot) by a car before because I was a space-case and walked across to a TTC island with my hoodie up and my iPod on. My friends asked why I didn't go after the driver, and I was just thinking "Uhh, it was my own fault?"

Do you guys think this may have something to do with the cell phone ban? The couple of times that I've had to answer my phone because my bluetooth was dead, I noticed that it takes a hell of a lot more attention and effort to hide the cell phone than to just talk into it. Now you have to look around for cops and make sure you don't get caught. Such a stupid ban.

quote:

Originally posted by gummybear Do you guys think this may have something to do with the cell phone ban? The couple of times that I've had to answer my phone because my bluetooth was dead, I noticed that it takes a hell of a lot more attention and effort to hide the cell phone than to just talk into it. Now you have to look around for cops and make sure you don't get caught. Such a stupid ban.

you can pull over to the side and answer the call. please do NOT keep your hand busy with holding your phone to your ear. if your bluetooth consistently fails, maybe be as thoughtful of charging your headset as you are with your phone. another option is keeping a wired headset handy in your car (yes. all phones still do have a physical output to do so)

quote:

Originally posted by gummybear Do you guys think this may have something to do with the cell phone ban? The couple of times that I've had to answer my phone because my bluetooth was dead, I noticed that it takes a hell of a lot more attention and effort to hide the cell phone than to just talk into it. Now you have to look around for cops and make sure you don't get caught. Such a stupid ban.

Or, let voice mail take the call and get around to it later?

quote:

Originally posted by kaniz Or, let voice mail take the call and get around to it later?

God forbid the cat at home is calling to remind the recipient to bring food.

quote:

Originally posted by kaniz Or, let voice mail take the call and get around to it later?

what fun would that be?

quote:

Originally posted by kaniz Or, let voice mail take the call and get around to it later?

But then I will no longer be able to validate my existence 24/7, just like 7-Eleven, and Walmart in the U.S.!

aren't there studies out that show people pay more attention because of high speeds than low ones anyway?

quote:

Originally posted by Sly_Guy aren't there studies out that show people pay more attention because of high speeds than low ones anyway?

lets raise residential streets to 100km/h and highways to 180km/h.
woooo

quote:

Originally posted by chinamon lets raise residential streets to 100km/h and highways to 180km/h. woooo

I'm usually doing close to that already anyway!

speed limits should be set as speeds you can't achieve or you'll lose the road. Anything less than that is just a waste of time and gas. People like fast cars and big engines, I say, use them!

quote:

Originally posted by gummybear Do you guys think this may have something to do with the cell phone ban? The couple of times that I've had to answer my phone because my bluetooth was dead, I noticed that it takes a hell of a lot more attention and effort to hide the cell phone than to just talk into it. Now you have to look around for cops and make sure you don't get caught. Such a stupid ban.

i find it interesting that these deaths have spiked right after the ban.

Also the latest death was last night on davenport at symington. Anyone who knows davenport will know that this once major route has been biked laned to death and already has artifically low speed limits. (used to be 50, now 40) yet there was still an accident.

Im pretty sure symington has similar conditions if i remember correctly.

Lets lower the speed limits to 20 and 30 everywhere. Then we can find the next red herring to blame for the ped deaths that will continue to happen and perhaps even increase.

Funny.

Yesterday alone, I had a girl start racing onto the street to catch her streetcar right in front of me when I was making a right onto Queens Quay from Spadina. It wasnt even a right turn on a red, my light was green.

Then no more than a few hours later, some old man was walking across University just north of Bloor, and instead of staying in the middle of the road when he saw me coming, he decided, you know what, not only will i start crossing anyways, ill walk right into your lane and just stay there. Like, WTF?

All when it was dark out... these are casualties just waiting to happen. The speed limit has nothing to do with it.

Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright © 2000-2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.