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FAO: American Citizens (and everybody else who's interested)

http://www.archive.org/details/Michael_Badnarik


Pretty useful videos to watch. Personally, I watched two in one sitting, and the rest I watched throughout the week.

description before I possibly waste my time?

libertarians are fuckheads. just look at the recent SC decision. libertarianism at its finest.

fuckheads.

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Originally posted by djnitride description before I possibly waste my time?

Well, there's a description within the link; but, essentially, Mr. Badnarik covers superficially the Constitution (and goes a bit further toward the latter hours), explaining how the government has gone the beyond the pales of constitutionality.

I know it sounds trite, and perhaps a superficial overview isn't enticing, but it's nonetheless a good chunk of knowledge to have.

Best viewed with a copy of the Constitution next to you.

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If you don't know the difference between a right and a privilege, this is a must see! If you think you know the difference, then answer this question: Is the US a democracy? For the answer (surprisingly), watch this.

Let me guess, he claims it's not a democracy?

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Originally posted by idoru Let me guess, he claims it's not a democracy?

Well, a democracy isn't the type of government we're supposed to have, but rather a republic.

You didn't answer my question nor the question posed in the quote. What is it, not what is it supposed to be.

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Originally posted by R.j. explaining how the government has gone the beyond the pales of constitutionality.

yeah, I so reckon nation states should be governed by centuries old documents, who were written by people with the ability to see the future!

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Originally posted by idoru You didn't answer my question nor the question posed in the quote.

The founders of the U.S. (and this a fact) did not intend the United States of be a democracy (and I can see why--and that's not because of these videos). What they created was a republic. What the man argues is that we're beginning (or have been) turning into a democracy.

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Originally posted by R.j. Well, a democracy isn't the type of government we're supposed to have, but rather a republic.

I fucking hate it when libertarian arseclowns play this card. Heads up champ: a republic is one of the many forms of democracy.

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Originally posted by R.j. Well, a democracy isn't the type of government we're supposed to have, but rather a republic.

No, we have a representational democracy, which is a form of republicanism.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby No, we have a representational democracy, which is a form of republicanism.

This.

Jeez, I'm not insinuating that we should start a revolution. As my post said, "it's useful" information to listen to.

The only reason I even posted that link is because we're going over the Constitution in our Government class, and a lot of what my professor says is a lot of what this guy says. And I know, for a fact, that my professor isn't a Libertarian.

But whatever.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby No, we have a representational democracy, which is a form of republicanism.

I think you mean representative republic.

Its not useful, its probably total tripe by a fucking wingnut.

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Originally posted by R.j. I think you mean representative republic.

No. I don't.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby No. I don't.

Prove me wrong.

If you want it out in full terms the United States is a Constitutional Republic Representative Democracy.

Democracy in its traditional meaning means a government controlled directly by the people. Our founding fathers found this idea to be impractical due to the time it would take to hold elections on everything, especially given the speed of communications in the late 1700s.

Republicanism is the idea of a government that has an executive branch of power that is not a monarchy and that the members of that branch are elected by the people.

The terms are used together, but the correct term, at least according the Madison's interpretation of it is Representational Democracy of a Constitutional Republic. This means the public elects others to represent them in a branch of government as well as they elect their head of state.

This is different compared to a lot of other nations, mainly ones that are Constitutional Monarchies like the UK, its common wealth nations, and Japan.

Its technically impossible in the US for government to go �beyond the pales of constitutionality.� If someone has a problem with the role or policy of the legislature, they can challenge it in the supreme court. If the SC agree they might strike down a law as unconstitutional, and if they disagree, they will uphold the right of the government to make the law.

Either way, the outcome means that the government have not gone beyond what is constitutional.

If anything, the recent SC decision should illustrate that the potential for going beyond what the constitution says is held much more closely by the judiciary, than the elected politicians.

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Originally posted by R.j. The only reason I even posted that link is because we're going over the Constitution in our Government class, and a lot of what my professor says is a lot of what this guy says. And I know, for a fact, that my professor isn't a Libertarian. But whatever.

Is your professor preaching or teaching?

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby If you want it out in full terms the United States is a Constitutional Republic Representative Democracy.

Okay. I'll agree to some extent. But do you believe that all rights are derived from property?

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Originally posted by R.j. Okay. I'll agree to some extent. But do you believe that all rights are derived from property?

No, and there is nothing to agree or disagree with me about on what the US system of governance is. Its what the US system of government is classified as. Its not up for debate, and it hasn't been since the constitution was signed in 1787...

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby No, and there is nothing to agree or disagree with me about on what the US system of governance is. Its what the US system of government is classified as. Its not up for debate, and it hasn't been since the constitution was signed in 1787...

You honestly don't believe that rights are derived from property? Then where do they come from?

I love ignorance.

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Originally posted by R.j. You honestly don't believe that rights are derived from property? Then where do they come from?

Lol. traditional libertarians would say people are born with them.

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