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Monitor Review: Yamaha HS50M - The new NS-10M?

Yamaha HS50M - The new NS-10M?
A great article by this guy Jonathan Grand.
I am looking for some monitors and after reading this article, i think i'm going to buy the Yamaha HS50M ACTIVE STUDIO MONITORS!
What do y'all think?
http://www.moozek.com/2008/01/09/su...the-new-ns-10m/

Looking at the frequency plot the biggest difference between the two seems to be <100Hz which is where the kick drum and sub bass usually appear- which is important for our style of music.

I was warned off the older NS10Ms not because they were bad as such, but were industry standard because they encouraged the mix engineer to be careful around that 2Khz area which made the results more radio friendly rather than club friendly. So I was told

Maybe the HS50M is an improvement for our needs.

hs50s are nice but no NS10s for sure, very attractive pricewise for bedroom producers and i think they will help yamaha to catch up with KRK's in the martket place.

I really doubt they will be used in studio's much though.

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Originally posted by atxbigballer1 ...i think i'm going to buy the Yamaha HS50M ACTIVE STUDIO MONITORS! What do y'all think?

If you can spend a little more, I highly recommend the HS80Ms. I've had mine for a few years now and am very happy with them. But, if they're out of your price range and/or you want something more compact, the HS50Ms seem to be the ticket - they consistently get good reviews.

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Originally posted by rulzz hs50s are nice but no NS10s for sure, very attractive pricewise for bedroom producers and i think they will help yamaha to catch up with KRK's in the martket place. I really doubt they will be used in studio's much though.

I have owned both and they destroy the krks. The hs80's are a flat monitor. For people with untreated rooms and bedroom studios I cannot think of anything in the price range even close to them.

Of course there are better options higher up but imo I don't think the differences in price are justified by the differences in sound

but krk is better marketed so for now they still have a much bigger share of the market. I do agree that yamahas sound much better. ( and i do own krks)

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Originally posted by rulzz but krk is better marketed so for now they still have a much bigger share of the market. I do agree that yamahas sound much better. ( and i do own krks)

Agreed.

Mackies all the way. But then again - trust your ears. Grab a track you like and know well and listen and compare.

I usually use "Yes - Owner of a lonely heart" as my "test track" for a monitor and also few other obscure tracks for testing various ranges of frequencies - some hip/hop for low-end, some classical for mid, some acid for highs. Burn a compilation CD and give it a listen. Be sure to take a few minute break from sound between listens.

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Originally posted by cryophonik If you can spend a little more, I highly recommend the HS80Ms. I've had mine for a few years now and am very happy with them. But, if they're out of your price range and/or you want something more compact, the HS50Ms seem to be the ticket - they consistently get good reviews.

One reason why the HS50Ms is that i have a small room and if i get the HS80Ms i will make lots of folks mad at me!
do u think HS80Ms will be good in a small room?

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Originally posted by atxbigballer1 One reason why the HS50Ms is that i have a small room and if i get the HS80Ms i will make lots of folks mad at me! do u think HS80Ms will be good in a small room?

anything over 6" will be horrible for a small room, especially if neighbors are a problem.

If I may make a suggestion... check out Adam A5's or A7's. AMAZING monitors for a very good price. Especially great for mixing in a small home studio at low volumes. I own A11p's and they're perfectly accurate, regardless of the volume I throw at them. Good for those times when it's late at night and you don't feel like sweating your ears off in headphones.

I also have a set of Mackie 624HRs (first gen) that are phenomenal and have a great low end for their size.

You can probably get a set of 624's for about $500 or so.

Hello

Iam thinking about hs50m, but as mentioned Ive also got small room, its perpenticular 2,5 x 4,0 m. one shorter wall has windows and my desk is along the longer wall. Ive checked size of the 5' and they are really tiny like some computer speakers and 8' are quiet big. What do you think would be the best option go for 5' or 8'? What about bass in 5' I will need to listen closely but wouldnt in 8' bass be to loud?

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Originally posted by drogtech Hello Iam thinking about hs50m, but as mentioned Ive also got small room, its perpenticular 2,5 x 4,0 m. one shorter wall has windows and my desk is along the longer wall. Ive checked size of the 5' and they are really tiny like some computer speakers and 8' are quiet big. What do you think would be the best option go for 5' or 8'? What about bass in 5' I will need to listen closely but wouldnt in 8' bass be to loud?

the old wisdom says - get the best speakers you can afford. As far as the size, as LNG as you address low end freqs by setting up bass traps and/or reduce reflections and standing waves by difusing the sound (eg furniture, carpet, even sofa) - you should be good with larger system. 8 would be decent bit may prove to be too boomy or dark. That's one of the issues I had with HR824's. Using a 2.1 system usually helps you zoom in on a low end when needed or turn it off when not needed.

I found that having a sub made the difference in accuracy of the mix but keep in mind that it may take some time to figure out what works. Working without sub may be strongly recommended if u have neighbors or people who may not enjoy theor walls rattling.

I have the hs50m. I don't know if they're good or not!

They may just about any kick sound clicky and non pros hearing a track of mine thru them comment on 'that clicky noise'.

Hard to hear whats going on down in the subby regions.

Perhaps they make me work harde as they aren't very forgiving?

I can post a beat here I've been making the last week if you want, its the direct result of using those monitors and may reveal flaws in the mix as I've really tried hard to get the mix right, although the true flaw could be my ears of course.

ok so lets say i am gonna buy yamaha hs80m, i have sound card M-Audio Audiophile 24/96 ( http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_...ophile2496.html) , what would be the best connection to get the best sound possible? directly from soundcard to monitors or some other way??

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Originally posted by drogtech ok so lets say i am gonna buy yamaha hs80m, i have sound card M-Audio Audiophile 24/96 ( http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_...ophile2496.html) , what would be the best connection to get the best sound possible? directly from soundcard to monitors or some other way??

the less crap you have between source and output - the better. Every subsequent link tends to color the sound or at least introduce noise. U want accuracy, not distortion of the original material

ok so i would need to buy cable 2 x rca - 2 x jack 6.3 mono and i am ready to go ?

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Originally posted by drogtech ok so i would need to buy cable 2 x rca - 2 x jack 6.3 mono and i am ready to go ?

Whats your source? If it supports TRS or XLR, go that route - RCA cables are shit.

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Originally posted by aNYthing Whats your source? If it supports TRS or XLR, go that route - RCA cables are shit.

my soundcard http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_...ophile2496.html

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Originally posted by drogtech my soundcard http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_...ophile2496.html

Sorry.. that card is very entry-level. I guess it's good to start with but considering you can buy an RME Multiface for about $350-$400... I'd say get rid of it. It's possibly a step above soundblaster in terms of ASIO latency, if that. You can buy any great set of speakers but running RCA out of the sound card into a great speaker will mostly sound like shit due to noise that RCA is prone to.

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Originally posted by aNYthing Sorry.. that card is very entry-level. I guess it's good to start with but considering you can buy an RME Multiface for about $350-$400... I'd say get rid of it. It's possibly a step above soundblaster in terms of ASIO latency, if that. You can buy any great set of speakers but running RCA out of the sound card into a great speaker will mostly sound like shit due to noise that RCA is prone to.

ok so ive got problem because, i should buy new soundcard first then? those one i have was highly recommendet at that time i bought it is it really that bad? which soundcard should i buy not to expensive but still ok for home studio? or go maybe for audio interfaces but they are more expensive ?

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Buy the monitors first, but it might be wise to make a new soundcard your next priority.

HS50's are OK - not amazing. They lack the bass in the very lower end and becuase of it I find some lack of clarity in the very lower mid.

HS80's are indeed great - on a par with the original reputation of the Mackie HR824's....

......but they are useless in a small or bad room - they simply boom and you'll be lucky to get a mix that translates well without a lot of jiggery-pokery.

IMO, the HS80's are the replacement for (not the same as) NS10's as they actually sound better.

In a small room, go for the JBL LSR 2325p - absolutely outstanding monitors for $400 per pair and piss all over other brands such as KRK.

Personally, I'd take the 2325p's over the HS50's for a small room and only upgrade to HS80's if I had the room size and money.

To me, these are the new standards at those price ranges.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN HS50's are OK - not amazing. They lack the bass in the very lower end and becuase of it I find some lack of clarity in the very lower mid. HS80's are indeed great - on a par with the original reputation of the Mackie HR824's.... ......but they are useless in a small or bad room - they simply boom and you'll be lucky to get a mix that translates well without a lot of jiggery-pokery. IMO, the HS80's are the replacement for (not the same as) NS10's as they actually sound better. In a small room, go for the JBL LSR 2325p - absolutely outstanding monitors for $400 per pair and piss all over other brands such as KRK. Personally, I'd take the 2325p's over the HS50's for a small room and only upgrade to HS80's if I had the room size and money. To me, these are the new standards at those price ranges.

thanks for info, as someone mentioned in other thread when we can call room is small and when its big enought for 8inch?? i mean from 0-20m2 its small and >20m2 its big??(mine around 11m2) I am still afraid about that boomy part with 8icn but in other hand I could always work in lover volume??

and I am still wondering about connection, I was thinking to buy e-mu 1212m but there is only 1 pair outputs for monitor and I would like to connect at the same time headphones to not switch in the back every time I want to listen one or the other.

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Originally posted by drogtech thanks for info, as someone mentioned in other thread when we can call room is small and when its big enought for 8inch?? i mean from 0-20m2 its small and >20m2 its big??(mine around 11m2) I am still afraid about that boomy part with 8icn but in other hand I could always work in lover volume?? and I am still wondering about connection, I was thinking to buy e-mu 1212m but there is only 1 pair outputs for monitor and I would like to connect at the same time headphones to not switch in the back every time I want to listen one or the other.

That's not the smallest room per say, you should be OK with that size room for monitoring but it also depends on if you have low ceilings, a narrow room, the speakers are close to walls (either at the sides or back etc) - if the answer is yes to any of these then you might run in to problems.

As for soundcards, stay the fuck away from EMU (they're shit) and M-audio (once were good but now not up to par).

Try the ECHO audio range of products - they offer excellent connectivity and quality for low cost.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN That's not the smallest room per say, you should be OK with that size room for monitoring but it also depends on if you have low ceilings, a narrow room, the speakers are close to walls (either at the sides or back etc) - if the answer is yes to any of these then you might run in to problems. As for soundcards, stay the fuck away from EMU (they're shit) and M-audio (once were good but now not up to par). Try the ECHO audio range of products - they offer excellent connectivity and quality for low cost.

Ok so I still should consider those hs80m ?


I couldnt find ECHO for PCI and only firewire and they are quiet expensive too...

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