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Playing trance "LIVE!"

I was talking with my mate, and we came to the conclusion, that DJ culture killed a lot of potential in electronic dance.

Why ? Because its cheaper to hire a DJ than pay someone to play live. Not to mention you probably need more than one person to perform on drum machines, synths, sing and what not.

So would it be a good idea, to actually form a trance band with 2 other dudes and try to play out live ? I know there are some trance live acts etc. but what about something major ? With a full on singer etc.

Just an idea .. : ) but if anyone from UK, London / Bham area wants to try, I'm up for that

i sing when im there spinning deep progressive uplifting tech house

A.) EDM got to where it's at because of "DJ culture". Do you know what went on in the 80's and early 90's?

B.) Underworld, The Chemical Brothers, Hybrid, The Prodigy, Orbital, The Orb, Rabbit in the Moon, Kraftwerk, Rank 1, Nu NRG, etc.

because studio production allows for a better result than a live performance.

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Originally posted by boris_the_bear because studio production allows for a better result than a live performance.

Just stay in the COR. Please.

Any rock band can play recordings of their songs & effectively have a DJ set, but a live performance is all the more spectacle.

Granted, if it's a single artist & not a group, then a DJ set holds roughly the same amount of showmanship as an individual performance (there are exceptions, such as Michael Jackson singing & dancing).

the point is that it's not a spectacle or concert. it's party music. people are entertained by eachother.

playing live is really fun & can sound great. go ahead and form a band.

your conclusion is total bullshit though. I've spent most of my musical career playing live & it's really fun but DJs are much better suited to club environments than bands.

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Originally posted by mehta the point is that it's not a spectacle or concert. it's party music. people are entertained by eachother. playing live is really fun & can sound great. go ahead and form a band. your conclusion is total bullshit though. I've spent most of my musical career playing live & it's really fun but DJs are much better suited to club environments than bands.

Winner.

I sing when I spin (luckily no one can hear me)

Even these old guys still play live sometimes ,but it's more house than trance of course. People seem to like it a lot.

i'm not an expert by any means, but big name djs and guys who do live PA's charge similar prices.

Today a live PA is pretty much just a guy throwing pre made loops into ableton anyways. A Dj set of your own stuff does not make it live.

Ya, you can only do so much live. Where is you can dj for hours on end..

i can't...and i own a few thousand records (real ones)...after 2 hours i just get tired of doing the math.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Just stay in the COR. Please.

look.. your shortbus is departing

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Originally posted by Schadenfreude Today a live PA is pretty much just a guy throwing pre made loops into ableton anyways. A Dj set of your own stuff does not make it live.

A "Live PA" of ableton loops is pretty similar to a DJ set, probably easier to accomplish actually. Playing a drumpad or something along with tunes (something I've seen a lot) is basically just a gimmick

I've also seen "Live PAs" that included a lot of gear but were basically just pre-recorded sets.

"Playing live" means that to some extent the music is being mechanically produced - actually playing riffs, manually controlling effects, etc. Of course it's arguable that a DJ is doing some mechanical actions, for example pressing play on a deck, moving a pitch slider, so I guess there is a grey zone

@ OP: out of curiosity, what exactly were you referring to by "playing live"?

Theoretically, it should be possible to "play" a "live" show - supposing a producer/DJ has all their gear in line.

I read an article, in Remix I think, about how Paul Van Dyke has live elements in his shows flipping between two macs loaded with Ableton and using a keyboard to record elements into the second while the first one was doing the grunt work. I also know BT does his shows live - but I've heard from a number of sources that his shows lack appeal.

I've done live keyboard overlays while DJ's have played (albeit in a very small venue with less than half the chops I like to think I have, now). That was a hell of a lot of fun, BTW.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Theoretically, it should be possible to "play" a "live" show - supposing a producer/DJ has all their gear in line.[/b]

The thing is that most electronic music is tracked, processed, sequenced over a great deal of time making it difficult to recreate all the elements in real-time.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I read an article, in Remix I think, about how Paul Van Dyke has live elements in his shows flipping between two macs loaded with Ableton and using a keyboard to record elements into the second while the first one was doing the grunt work.

He definitely has definitely has some "live" tools at his disposable but he basically play a DJ set.

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Originally posted by mehta The thing is that most electronic music is tracked, processed, sequenced over a great deal of time making it difficult to recreate all the elements in real-time.

Even if you're tracking elements separately, you're still going to have to have a balance of it pre-recorded and/or sequenced - presuming a one-to-two-man-band scenario. I would think, even if you're a group of three to five people, you'd still want to have some automation.

Now, there are ensembles who do live synthesis. There was one here in Michigan, a while back - but it's not party music, by any stretch. The short blips of promo I heard on the radio led me to believe it was something on the order of minimalist classical.

The fact remains that there are a lot of controller surfaces out there and that a lot of sequencers, like Sonar and Live - probably Live more-so - have the capacity to allow for musician/producer/DJ's to have control over a lot of different aspects of performances.

By live I mean playing live, like a band.

Check this guy out :



Thats one dude with sequenced drums and one dude can do only so much. And what if there were 4 guys in the band, one a singer, one for bass and pads, one for leads, arps, gates n stuff, and one only for mixing, playing, sequencing, drums and bass.

That was the start of the rave era as I remember it, somewhere in '92 '94.

And that was the context about DJs. During casual parties DJs are few time cheaper than employing a band, plus some can spin for hours. Bands sort of died in a way in my opinion because of that.

Anyway, almost anyone can learn how to spin, and anyone has their selection of tunes that will appeal to some ppl. So maybe by the lack of proper live performances, the electronic scene lost some creativity and art ? ...

Anyway, if anyone wants to form a band, I'm in

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Originally posted by chrissundive Thats one dude with sequenced drums and one dude can do only so much. And what if there were 4 guys in the band, one a singer, one for bass and pads, one for leads, arps, gates n stuff, and one only for mixing, playing, sequencing, drums and bass.

Live drummer would be cooler.

Yea but the whole point of EDM, or at least trance and techno oriented genres are sequenced electronic drums. But it would be wicked to have someone doing a hybrid performance, half sequenced, half live.

Faithless live at Pinkpop was amazing year's ago. I could imagine it would be pretty cool to see a live trance band, but the sound quality must be perfect I guess.

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Originally posted by Banora I sing when I spin (luckily no one can hear me)

spinning dishes must be fun

DONT realy like live acts but push allways did good live acts

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Originally posted by chrissundive Yea but the whole point of EDM, or at least trance and techno oriented genres are sequenced electronic drums. But it would be wicked to have someone doing a hybrid performance, half sequenced, half live.

Why? The whole point of EDM is sequenced and automated everything, so why does it matter?

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