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Posted by IceColdWater on Feb-12-2010 06:54:

A question about MP3 players/mobile phone players

My question is , do different mp3 player/mobile phone player have any impact on the sound quality when it is run through a headphone?

I mean , if I use the same headphone for different model of mp3 players , are they gonna give me the same sound quality or does the chips of the mp3 players play a role too in the sound quality?


Posted by KilldaDJ on Feb-12-2010 07:13:

yes.


Posted by DJ RANN on Feb-12-2010 07:32:

Hell yes.

Because different mp3 players have different converters and signal processing meaning different quality outputs between brands and models.


Posted by thecYrus on Feb-12-2010 07:36:

the DA converter has a big impact on the sound.


Posted by IceColdWater on Feb-12-2010 14:16:

So my Samsung Beat DJ can't make full use of the Sennheiser HD 212 Pro?


Posted by Phrequency on Feb-12-2010 17:14:

Re: A question about MP3 players/mobile phone players

quote:
Originally posted by IceColdWater
My question is , do different mp3 player/mobile phone player have any impact on the sound quality when it is run through a headphone?

I mean , if I use the same headphone for different model of mp3 players , are they gonna give me the same sound quality or does the chips of the mp3 players play a role too in the sound quality?



If you want best audio playback on a computer, I suggest making a .WAV and uploading to Itunes and converting to one of the Apple/Windows playable formats they use, also playing at 50% lower then full volume would help cancel out some of the distortion you may hear if you really want to go a step further, I suggest buying a vinyl player haha.


Posted by IceColdWater on Feb-14-2010 11:54:

quote:
Originally posted by IceColdWater
So my Samsung Beat DJ can't make full use of the Sennheiser HD 212 Pro?



Anyone can answer to this?


Posted by Phrequency on Feb-14-2010 16:49:

The sound quality would be unaudible if you haven't had experience in minor differences like that, but a simple answer would be no.

I use a presonus sundcard by focusrite, it has good sound quality and the DACs are very good, but some people would go to the extreme of buying the best DACs they could afford, and realise that their soundcard is the problem, or their cables etc.

If your sound is good on studio monitors, and you have a decent soundcard, then great.

No need to pay for shit you will hardly hear any difference from really, like half of the gear Sony sells lol.


Greets

Andie


Posted by Zak McKracken on Feb-14-2010 17:20:

for mp3 players and phones theres no better headphone than koss porta pro. its cheap, sounds ok, its easy driven (save battery), easy on the ears (both sound and feel), looks grosse, and its open so that it annoys everyone around u with high treble (this is a good thing).


Posted by IceColdWater on Feb-15-2010 03:52:

Thanks for the reply guys!
Now I know why the Sennheiser clips on my Samsung..

But the question is.. Why did the headphone clip? Or was it the samsung that clipped?


Posted by Phrequency on Feb-15-2010 06:56:

Be Cool!

by the word clipped im guessin you mean distorted above the speakers' optimal volume level you like music loud man.

Buy better headphones, it is the headphones that clipped, but the samsung device is limited because of its DACs' and therefore, no matter what u do, u'll still have a bit of bad quality sound, but hey what the hell its only for listening to right


Posted by Zak McKracken on Feb-15-2010 20:26:

thats piss man. its the amplifier in the phone thats clipping!


Posted by Phrequency on Feb-15-2010 22:53:

Im sorry if i made mistake but i think he was meaning the MP3 player not a phone am I mistaken?

I was speaking of the mp3 player


Posted by Zak McKracken on Feb-15-2010 23:02:

its the same. the amplifier is more important than the dac.


Posted by Phrequency on Feb-15-2010 23:15:

quote:
Originally posted by palm
its the same. the amplifier is more important than the dac.



today most phones have decent quality amps, but hit n miss DA Converters, either way u cant win. I settled with an iPod


Posted by IceColdWater on Feb-16-2010 07:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Phrequency
by the word clipped im guessin you mean distorted above the speakers' optimal volume level you like music loud man.

Buy better headphones, it is the headphones that clipped, but the samsung device is limited because of its DACs' and therefore, no matter what u do, u'll still have a bit of bad quality sound, but hey what the hell its only for listening to right


Yeah but the thing is , when I plugged the headphone into the computer and blast it really loud , it doesn't clip whereas my Samsung does. And the volume it's playing at is even louder than that of my Samsung.
So I'm guessing it's the Samsung's problem .. Oh well.


Anyway , thanks for the replies guys.. Really enlightened me.. I didn't even know about DACs and stuff in the first place.
It's a phone btw


Posted by Phrequency on Feb-16-2010 08:05:

Computer has a soundcard, phone has a trashcan replica


Posted by DEAD_MOOSE on Feb-16-2010 23:23:

quote:
Originally posted by IceColdWater
Thanks for the reply guys!
Now I know why the Sennheiser clips on my Samsung..

But the question is.. Why did the headphone clip? Or was it the samsung that clipped?


Turn off any eq settings like loudness/bass boost/etc. Often a -0.02db mp3 will be driven over 0.0db into the amplifier section by the signal processing of the eq/bass boost. Try using a bass boost using the graphic equaliser on windows media player while playing a heavily brickwall limited master. This demonstrates what I imagine is happening with your player. This is digital (non physical) clipping.

Other than this, Id guess your Sennheisers are of a lower impedance than the headphones the player was designed to be used with meaning you are able to draw more output than the amplifier power supply can deliver-hence you hear clipping earlier. This becomes even more apparent when using a headphone output into a dj mixer because of the lower impedance of the mixer allowing the amp to clip earlier. This is amplifier clipping (physical) which is different to the digital clipping I mentioned earlier.


Posted by Zak McKracken on Feb-18-2010 21:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Phrequency
today most phones have decent quality amps, but hit n miss DA Converters, either way u cant win. I settled with an iPod


no


Posted by Phrequency on Feb-19-2010 09:29:

You must have bad phone taste then

But I think this topic is done, the question has been answered



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