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Hey Guys
If you have a minute go to www.top100clubs.com and show the CA clubs some love.

Voyeur, Ruby Skye, Avalon, Circus, Vessel, Sutra, Vanguard, Spin, 1015, Mighty and everyone else.

Its been a great year for CA clubs!

Lame. I liked it when it was the DJs voting. Now it's the public which means it's gonna be another PR contest or whichever city has the most people who go online who care to vote about clubs.

Not to say when DJs voted it was perfect, but at least you know there wasn't cheating going on.

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Originally posted by DaveT Lame. I liked it when it was the DJs voting. Now it's the public which means it's gonna be another PR or whichever city has the most people who go online who care to vote about clubs. Not to say when DJs voted it was perfect, but at least you know there wasn't cheating going on.

i hear ya dave. i think itd be cool if they have 2 polls. fan and djs.

Why oh why did they open the polling to the public? Now the smaller cities can't compete with the larger cities. They are going to have to split them up to be fair. More money and PR for DJ Mag I guess!

these polls are about attracting an audience, not achieving fairness or accuracy... why wouldn't they open it to the public? anyway it's not as if the dj has a better basis of comparison than the patron--unless your nightly club experience involves getting shuttled from a hotel to a backdoor entrance 20 minutes before you go on, having free drinks delivered to you while everyone in the room ogles you for being there, then being whisked out the back door immediately after you're done.

I think there's something bigger whan a DJ likes a club vs just a regular person off the streets. It's even a greater sense of accomplishment.

And again, the DJ poll will at least be a one vote per person/DJ fair type of poll. Now it will be PR based like the DJ poll, and opens up the possibility of someone cheating.

my criteria for "best club" is (1) overall quality of bookings including quality of local support, (2) sound quality, (3) crowd quality, (4) comfort and convenience--which speaks to things like how the staff treats people, line management, availability of free parking, freedom from hassle (ins and outs, smoking weed), and climate control. these are things that the vast majority of touring djs will never have to go through when stopping by their "top club". if the poll is meant to serve the djs only, sure it makes sense the voting should be exclusive to them. if the poll is meant to serve the public, then the dj's perspective is largely meaningless. a good club to me is one where i feel like i have the freedom of a house party with concert-quality sound.

Oh if only California had a Panorama Bar/Beghrain

Or a T-Bar, or a Robert-Johnson, or a Watergate

I think the only fair way to get an accurate BEST CLUB would be to send the same group of people to all the clubs nominated and set some sort of criteria. That way they can experience all the clubs. Cuz if a DJ or an average Joe votes, they're going to vote for the clubs they been to. I can't vote for Ruby Sky cause I never been to it. But I went to 1015 and I loved it. That was a few years back and I guarantee you 1015 isn't the same anymore.

I can't vote for MOS cuz I never been to it, so it would be unfair as a DJ or as a club goer for me to vote for it.

I guess what I'm saying is that not all clubs are being represented equally.

Funny how it says this...

"You can vote for either your favorite venue, event or both. You must specify the city."

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Originally posted by R!CH these polls are about attracting an audience, not achieving fairness or accuracy... why wouldn't they open it to the public? anyway it's not as if the dj has a better basis of comparison than the patron--unless your nightly club experience involves getting shuttled from a hotel to a backdoor entrance 20 minutes before you go on, having free drinks delivered to you while everyone in the room ogles you for being there, then being whisked out the back door immediately after you're done.

Of course the DJ's opinion is much more valuable for a poll like this.

How many clubs a year does the average club kid visit over the year. Probably not many outside of his/her own hometown. A DJ is traveling to a different club every other weekend at least, his opinion is based upon many different clubbing experiences over the course of the year

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Originally posted by darin epsilon Why oh why did they open the polling to the public? Now the smaller cities can't compete with the larger cities. They are going to have to split them up to be fair. More money and PR for DJ Mag I guess!

so that they can skew the results with ease? kinda how they do with the DJ poll already...

with a smaller amount of people voting...like just DJs its harder for them to skew results towards their interests.

By the way, it makes no sense to have a poll for this sort of thing.

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Originally posted by bas Oh if only California had a Panorama Bar/Beghrain Or a T-Bar, or a Robert-Johnson, or a Watergate

Bathroom into Berghain kit on Ebay somewhere. 1 Hour of Labor, turns any bathroom into Berghain.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen Of course the DJ's opinion is much more valuable for a poll like this. How many clubs a year does the average club kid visit over the year. Probably not many outside of his/her own hometown. A DJ is traveling to a different club every other weekend at least, his opinion is based upon many different clubbing experiences over the course of the year

it seems to me the poll grabs a couple of top venues from every top market and aggregates each based on the number of hits from top djs every one gets. how then wouldn't the people of la know which venues in their own market deserve to make it to the list better than a dj who stops by the same place once a year and has to remember what that night was like amongst 100-150 other stops that year?

furthermore how does their experience in any way reflect what a clubber would experience walking up as a customer off the street? how well can the dj judge the club's sound, lighting, crowd, staff, other rooms, or anything else from their perspective of side door to green room to dj booth to side door (which is how it happens a lot of times)? most djs never step foot on the dance floor to see or hear or experience what a paying customer would.

I think it's how you want to put this specific poll in perspective. I can see Rich seeing it as a poll from his point of view, but I think others like the poll being from the view of DJs. It's a different perspective. I personally like the perspective of it being from the DJs. That's just me.

In the end, I wouldn't mind two seperate polls/lists, one from each perspective. Maybe that's what DJMag is doing in th end. We won't know until the issue comes out

I dont think clubs would have as much incentive to waste there time and effort on this. people are gonna go to local clubs if theyre good no matter what dj mag says.

djs have more to gain from it cos theyre moving around from city to city and sometimes the locals dont know who they are so the club depends on their number to promote them.

watch beatport bet on itself a crap ton - best sound best club, etc. - whatever else they are in.

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