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I support my second amendment right because of the Tea Party.

... because these fucks are crazy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/u...16teaparty.html

Are these idiots the start of radical right wing political movements like we have seen in Europe and South America, or are they too disorganized and splintered?

The rest of the world is much different from your hometown my friend. You outlaw guns, and then only the outlaws have guns. That wasnt some fringe group like the media would have you believe. That was 2 million people protesting in Washington. Whether they know it or not, they were protesting against a confiscation of rights by the same central bankers who are also buying politicians in your country too.

my point was just proven.

I wouldn't call them crazy; they are nothing more and nothing less than a foolish and ignorant mob, a symptom of democracy's many failings. I have no animus towards them: they are what they are, and to expect any more of them is to be unrealistic and unreasonable. I can no more despise them for their manipulability and simple-mindedness than I can despise a pebble for it's lack of motility.

What we can expect of most people is limited, so they need an equally limited society. Democracy unwisely attempts to exceed these limitations by extending the power to control public policy to the masses, even though those people are quite simply incapable of forming anything worthy of being called a "reasoned" view on policy.

To combat this phenomenon, we've chosen to exploit their psychology to bring their level of influence back in line with their inherent limitations. Using information cascades, we can manufacture the views of the general population, often dissimulating the genuine policy objective for which they are blindly slaving.

These people are particularly vulnerable to such influences: many are struggling seriously due to the current state of the economy. They reasonably want to understand why this has befallen them, but they are psychologically predisposed away from achieving such understanding. As with most complex phenomena, the economic crisis was caused by the mindless interaction of many discrete phenomena rather than any unifying individual "cause." But the same "promiscuous teleology" that promotes irrational belief in gods likewise facilitiates the idea that this complex phenomenon is the result of the conscious action of a single entity or a small number of entities. Voila, you have your hatchling conspiracy theorist.

All that remains, then, is for someone of sufficient skill to point them at some possible source for their problems, and they will gladly and zealously ascribe blame without engaging of anything rightfully called "reasoning." This is their irony (or tragedy, if you prefer): they are really just the pawns of the same type of elites they believe that they are protesting against.

I do not particularly like it, but this is how the game is played. As for this particular movement, it will likely go down the drain much like a different sort of movement. But even if it doesn't, it appears to me that it will easily be hijacked and redirected towards another purpose, so we'll just turn that to our advantage as well.

Unlike arbiter I DO blame people for being wilfully idiotic and pushing ignorance and fear into the public sphere where it can only do damage to the political process and the quality of meaningful debate at a legislative level.

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Originally posted by zDmn The rest of the world is much different from your hometown my friend. You outlaw guns, and then only the outlaws have guns. That wasnt some fringe group like the media would have you believe. That was 2 million people protesting in Washington. Whether they know it or not, they were protesting against a confiscation of rights by the same central bankers who are also buying politicians in your country too.

Ergo, fuck you, you ignorant hick cunt.

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Originally posted by Arbiter

This, but with a less conspiratorial overtone.

If the Tea Party movement is to do anything except civil disobedience and �civil war� as quoted in the article, then it needs to crystallise around a leader. The oligarchy that gives the movement a direction and purpose is the exact same oligarchy to which its members are opposed. Which means it probably won�t go anywhere.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ...Ergo, fuck you, you ignorant hick cunt.

Nice point you have there...or never mind you dont have one. You're too busy arguing your right vs left/left vs right bullshit while the entire world is being robbed by central banking financiers. In the last two years the Federal Reserve has printed trillions out of thin air at the behest of politicans like Bush and Obama. People are finally starting to see how money works. The government could never hope to pass a tax to collect all the money they need to spend on the expansion of government itself. Thats why they rely on the Federal Reserve to print all the money they need. The Federal Reserve, the Government, and the big businesses all profit off of this system while the common man has his savings, investments, and paychecks confiscated through inflation. With no end in sight to the printing of all of this money, the dollar itself is on the verge of collapse. Along with it will come the entire fucking global economy. But this is all fear mongering right? Everyone just listen to pkcRAISTLIN and go back to fuckin sleep.

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Originally posted by zDmn Nice point you have there...or never mind you dont have one. You're too busy arguing your right vs left/left vs right bullshit while the entire world is being robbed by central banking financiers. In the last two years the Federal Reserve has printed trillions out of thin air at the behest of politicans like Bush and Obama. People are finally starting to see how money works. The government could never hope to pass a tax to collect all the money they need to spend on the expansion of government itself. Thats why they rely on the Federal Reserve to print all the money they need. The Federal Reserve, the Government, and the big businesses all profit off of this system while the common man has his savings, investments, and paychecks confiscated through inflation. With no end in sight to the printing of all of this money, the dollar itself is on the verge of collapse. Along with it will come the entire fucking global economy. But this is all fear mongering right? Everyone just listen to pkcRAISTLIN and go back to fuckin sleep.

Lets see what happens when the fed goes away and the Chinese come to collect their money. From you. Personally.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Lets see what happens when the fed goes away and the Chinese come to collect their money. From you. Personally.

The debt we owe ourselves (the Fed) is much worse than we owe the Chinese. If the dollar is nationalized like the constitution authorizes and a gold standard is put into place to regulate government spending, then we should be able to pay off our debts. Or perhaps im too dumb to come up with a different plan. But that wont happen anyways. Most people are too fuckin ignorant and too busy pointing fingers at each other over the bs left/right paradigm to stand up and do anything about it. When 2 million people went to Washington in protest, the corporate media organizations (which are owned or influenced by the beneficiaries of Fed) made the idiots believe it was a march of "ignorant hick ****s" numbering in the thousands.

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Originally posted by zDmn Nice point you have there...or never mind you dont have one. You're too busy arguing your right vs left/left vs right bullshit while the entire world is being robbed by central banking financiers. In the last two years the Federal Reserve has printed trillions out of thin air at the behest of politicans like Bush and Obama. People are finally starting to see how money works. The government could never hope to pass a tax to collect all the money they need to spend on the expansion of government itself. Thats why they rely on the Federal Reserve to print all the money they need. The Federal Reserve, the Government, and the big businesses all profit off of this system while the common man has his savings, investments, and paychecks confiscated through inflation. With no end in sight to the printing of all of this money, the dollar itself is on the verge of collapse. Along with it will come the entire fucking global economy. But this is all fear mongering right? Everyone just listen to pkcRAISTLIN and go back to fuckin sleep.

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Originally posted by zDmn The debt we owe ourselves (the Fed) is much worse than we owe the Chinese. If the dollar is nationalized like the constitution authorizes and a gold standard is put into place to regulate government spending, then we should be able to pay off our debts. Or perhaps im too dumb to come up with a different plan. But that wont happen anyways. Most people are too fuckin ignorant and too busy pointing fingers at each other over the bs left/right paradigm to stand up and do anything about it. When 2 million people went to Washington in protest, the corporate media organizations (which are owned or influenced by the beneficiaries of Fed) made the idiots believe it was a march of "ignorant hick ****s" numbering in the thousands.

this dribble is what i was referring to when i described you as an ignorant hick. my balls have a better understanding of economics than you do.

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Originally posted by zDmn The debt we owe ourselves (the Fed) is much worse than we owe the Chinese. If the dollar is nationalized like the constitution authorizes and a gold standard is put into place to regulate government spending, then we should be able to pay off our debts. Or perhaps im too dumb to come up with a different plan. But that wont happen anyways. Most people are too fuckin ignorant and too busy pointing fingers at each other over the bs left/right paradigm to stand up and do anything about it. When 2 million people went to Washington in protest, the corporate media organizations (which are owned or influenced by the beneficiaries of Fed) made the idiots believe it was a march of "ignorant hick ****s" numbering in the thousands.

You realize that the Fed owes money to China, and we pay the Fed to at some point pay China right, or at least keep the appearance that we can guarantee our over trillion dollars in loans from them?

You take away the fed you are basically taking the middleman away and selling the US citizens or states directly into bondage with the Chinese.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby You realize that the Fed owes money to China, and we pay the Fed to at some point pay China right, or at least keep the appearance that we can guarantee our over trillion dollars in loans from them? You take away the fed you are basically taking the middleman away and selling the US citizens or states directly into bondage with the Chinese.

Thats an incorrect statement. The Federal Reserve doesnt borrow money from the central banks of other nations when it can print all of its own money out of thin air. You need to understand that the Federal Reserve is a series of private banks owned by a cartel of international bankers who own central banks in every other major nation on earth. That is not theory that is fact. In 2009 the U.S. Congress found out that the Fed printed $500B out of nothing and sent it over seas. When asked where the money was sent to, the Fed chairman replied "That would be counterproductive."

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN this dribble is what i was referring to when i described you as an ignorant hick. my balls have a better understanding of economics than you do.

Your understanding of economics goes no further than the discount hookers give you do to the size of your wrinkly little cock.

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Originally posted by zDmn Thats an incorrect statement. The Federal Reserve doesnt borrow money from the central banks of other nations when it can print all of its own money out of thin air. You need to understand that the Federal Reserve is a series of private banks owned by a cartel of international bankers who own central banks in every other major nation on earth. That is not theory that is fact. In 2009 the U.S. Congress found out that the Fed printed $500B out of nothing and sent it over seas. When asked where the money was sent to, the Fed chairman replied "That would be counterproductive."

And you know this how? By watching a few youtubes videos? Zeitgeist and Money Masters said so, so it must be!

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Originally posted by zDmn Thats an incorrect statement. The Federal Reserve doesnt borrow money from the central banks of other nations when it can print all of its own money out of thin air. You need to understand that the Federal Reserve is a series of private banks owned by a cartel of international bankers who own central banks in every other major nation on earth. That is not theory that is fact. In 2009 the U.S. Congress found out that the Fed printed $500B out of nothing and sent it over seas. When asked where the money was sent to, the Fed chairman replied "That would be counterproductive."

God damn... I have never seen a more interesting way to say "Its the Jews!"

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby God damn... I have never seen a more interesting way to say "Its the Jews!"

I think I have a pretty good idea of where you are coming from now. Here in America, when you say something outside the box of conventional wisdom, or if you speak out against Obama's policies you are automatically labeled a racist. Thats how the media here attacks the truth. They call names. I have noticed over the years that the same thing goes on all over the world. But in western Europe, the word "racist" is replaced with the word "antisemitic" because its a more sensitive subject there. And when someone speaks the truth, they are labeled as a Nazi. Our friend "Comrade Stalin" can tell you all about that strategy. His communist philosophy says "Always blame the truthful enemy for being what you truly are". Now that Ive thought about it, the Nazi's relied on a central bank and the endless printing of fiat currency to murder innocent people and wage WWII. Stalin and Lenin murdered over 40 million of their own people when they spoke out against its fiat monetary system. A system which was later used to weaponize the hell out of the USSR. You see? Im against the practice of fiat currency for these reasons and a thousand others. So please explain how anything I said had to do with Jewish people.

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Originally posted by zDmn I think I have a pretty good idea of where you are coming from now. Here in America, when you say something outside the box of conventional wisdom, or if you speak out against Obama's policies you are automatically labeled a racist

I stopped reading here. You really are a fucking nut, aren't you?

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Originally posted by Comrade Stalin And you know this how? By watching a few youtubes videos? Zeitgeist and Money Masters said so, so it must be!

No actually. I read books. I love history and I study it. I have watched all three hours of Money Masters but it didnt tell me anything I didnt already know from books I have read written by Ludwig Von Mises. I suggest you read "End the Fed" by Ron Paul. That one is probably easy enough for you. Read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman". Educate yourself. You seem to imply that this is based on perspective but its all fact really. Whats your case?

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Originally posted by ziptnf I stopped reading here. You really are a fucking nut, aren't you?

You just proved my point. All I've gotten from this forum so far is name calling. Bring some substance to this debate. Im so wrong that you cant read anymore? Explain. You saw that I disagree with Obama and you think you know all there is to know about my views. It really just shows how minimal your understanding of politics and economics is. I fuckin dare you to try and explain how Obama is any different that George W Bush.

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Originally posted by zDmn No actually. I read books. I love history and I study it. I have watched all three hours of Money Masters but it didnt tell me anything I didnt already know from books I have read written by Ludwig Von Mises. I suggest you read "End the Fed" by Ron Paul. That one is probably easy enough for you. Read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman". Educate yourself. You seem to imply that this is based on perspective but its all fact really.

How about reading books by people who are actually experts in the field? Ron Paul and John Perkins speaking on monetary policy and international finance is like listening to a janitor talk about open heart surgery. If you want to discuss the flaws of the Austrian school's "anything goes" economics, I welcome it.

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Whats your case?

My case? As to what? Right now, I'm criticizing your case.

mises? ron paul? these guys are so damned predictable!

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Originally posted by Comrade Stalin How about reading books by people who are actually experts in the field? Ron Paul and John Perkins speaking on monetary policy and international finance is like listening to a janitor talk about open heart surgery. If you want to discuss the flaws of the Austrian school's "anything goes" economics, I welcome it. My case? As to what? Right now, I'm criticizing your case.

Actually, fiat currency is the real "anything goes economics". A gold commodity standard can check inflation like nothing else in the history of banking. Tell me how you would have it.

the gold standard has a contractionary bias and was a central contributor to prolonging the great depression. it is an archaic relic and only fringe libertarians who dont understand economics advocate its return.

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Originally posted by zDmn The rest of the world is much different from your hometown my friend. You outlaw guns, and then only the outlaws have guns. That wasnt some fringe group like the media would have you believe. That was 2 million people protesting in Washington. Whether they know it or not, they were protesting against a confiscation of rights by the same central bankers who are also buying politicians in your country too.

So who are these central bankers?

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Originally posted by saluyamo So who are these central bankers?

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