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Why HALLO thar I AM DOG.

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/20..._and_sleds.html

The photography is awesome.

Can't help but think that they're somewhat cruel though. The chick with the fishing line dangling? Wtf.

Beautiful dogs, in any case.

The dogs are bred to run and pull. Nothing cruel about it. They love it. Its like any working dog.

I look at my dog, and if he isn't doing something thats somehow related to controlling an object or that could be related to herding then he doesn't look that happy. He even tries to herd the cats, nipping at their heels and nudging them with his nose. We never taught him anything like that, he just has a natural herding instinct. Same with our last Corgi, and all the Corgis I have ever met.

Dogs retain their working traits EXTREMELY well and it becomes their purpose. Eat, drink, bark, work, reproduce, thats all they care about.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Dogs retain their working traits EXTREMELY well and it becomes their purpose. Eat, drink, bark, work, reproduce, thats all they care about.

See bold^

They shouldn't have to. Their 'love of work' is simply a reflection on humans' 'love of lazy'.

I am, of course, a total hypocrite. My love of beef/lamb/chicken/whatever completely disregards animal cruelty.

Dogs like these seem more like companions , more than 'stock' though, so my hypocrisy may have some boundaries.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk See bold^ They shouldn't have to. Their 'love of work' is simply a reflection on humans' 'love of lazy'. I am, of course, a total hypocrite. My love of beef/lamb/chicken/whatever completely disregards animal cruelty. Dogs like these seem more like companions , more than 'stock' though, so my hypocrisy may have some boundaries.

Yea, but to these dogs its not work to them, its their life. Its what they want to do, they love it. They love to fucking get out there and pull loads. Its literally in their blood.

Originally it was laziness/need for pack animals, but really since then its been just natural for the dogs. I mean we have been training dogs to sled for thousands of years.

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Originally posted by kadomony

That truly deserves it's own variant of WTF.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Yea, but to these dogs its not work to them, its their life. Its what they want to do, they love it.

How the fuck could you possibly know that? Dogs are bred to be obedient. You shouldn't [possibly] mistake obedience with 'a want to do work'.

This is one of the reasons I have so much respect for domestic cats, over domestic dogs.

A dog will love you, because it's been taught to. It's been bred into their nature to do what they're told.

"Come here, boy, oh yeah, good boy. Now fetch the stick. GOOD DOG! You do just what I tell you to! So cute!"

Cat Version:

"Come here, boy, oh yeah, good boy"

"Fuck off, I'll do my own thing until I'm ready"



I think if a dog likes you, then you have to wonder how much of the 'love' is obedience. If a cat likes you, then it actually likes you

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Originally posted by Sushipunk How the fuck could you possibly know that? Dogs are bred to be obedient. You shouldn't [possibly] mistake obedience with 'a want to do work'. This is one of the reasons I have so much respect for domestic cats, over domestic dogs. A dog will love you, because it's been taught to. It's been bred into their nature to do what they're told. "Come here, boy, oh yeah, good boy. Now fetch the stick. GOOD DOG! You do just what I tell you to! So cute!" Cat Version: "Come here, boy, oh yeah, good boy" "Fuck off, I'll do my own thing until I'm ready" I think if a dog likes you, then you have to wonder how much of the 'love' is obedience. If a cat likes you, then it actually likes you

Working dogs are different from other dogs. They are much more intelligent, fit, dogs. They are bred for their ability to learn and be good at specific tasks. Like I said, if my dog isn't doing something related to the skill sets found in herding then he gets antsy or looks bored and depressed. Soon as you let him out in the yard and you kick a soccer ball around he goes fucking ape, nipping trying to nudge it away from you, etc and he is in his element and looks totally content. Its because thats their hunt.

Training working dogs replaces the thrill of the hunt and the kill with the thrill of the job. They equate their job with their meals and their job with their human/peer dog packs.

Other dogs, lap dogs, etc, that are bred for companionship only are much like you describe. Their obedience is simple minded and their hunt has been replaced by docility and temperament. They have been bred to serve no real purpose.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Working dogs are different from other dogs. They are much more intelligent, fit, dogs. They are bred for their ability to learn and be good at specific tasks.

Dogs are bred for shape, ability and size, nothing else.
Their temperament and perceived 'intelligence' is completely down to how they're trained by someone, as to being best suited for tasks and tricks it really comes back to the breed and what its ability is best suited, at heart their behaviour is simply a few steps removed from a feral dog because its conditioned by domestication.

I've had a big Rottweiler cross I used to look after (or maybe the other way around) with the sweetest disposition that you'd ever meet that would play with kids and safe for anyone to be around even off a leash, of course if directed or someone was in her territory that wasn't supposed to be there, she'd just destroy them.
Because that's just what she was trained to do and she was bred to be big enough to take down a human being and literally tear strips off them. So you can teach a working dog to be a pet if you invest the time and effort to do it.

On the other end of the spectrum I've met other assorted dogs owned by the knuckle dragging, useless idiot end of the human breed that where dangerous and essentially useless because they'd never been trained properly and their owners where too stupid to do it.

if i have to work then fucking dogs should too stu fucken bludging canines.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk How the fuck could you possibly know that? Dogs are bred to be obedient. You shouldn't [possibly] mistake obedience with 'a want to do work'. This is one of the reasons I have so much respect for domestic cats, over domestic dogs. A dog will love you, because it's been taught to. It's been bred into their nature to do what they're told. "Come here, boy, oh yeah, good boy. Now fetch the stick. GOOD DOG! You do just what I tell you to! So cute!" Cat Version: "Come here, boy, oh yeah, good boy" "Fuck off, I'll do my own thing until I'm ready" I think if a dog likes you, then you have to wonder how much of the 'love' is obedience. If a cat likes you, then it actually likes you

Sorry Stu, but that's utter bullshit. A dog can be the most disobedient little shit in the world and yet still show great love for its owner. Dogs have a pack instinct by nature, descendent from wolves, and so they naturally bond with their family members. Wildcats, by contrast, are much more solitary, so a cat's tendency towards independence is genetic.

Furthermore, I think Nou's bang on the money in saying dogs retain their love of activities they're bred for. My dog is a labrador and he loves retrieving more than you can imagine. I've sat throwing a ball for him for about two hours while talking and he brought it back with the same enthusiasm each time. Often, if you don't take him on, he'll actively start whining and nuzzling you. That isn't a well-behaved pet playing fetch because he's been taught to, that's a dog who really loves retrieving.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk How the fuck could you possibly know that? Dogs are bred to be obedient. You shouldn't [possibly] mistake obedience with 'a want to do work'.

You can easily tell if a dog is satisfied by it's demeanor. A satisfied dog will be calm when idle whereas an unsatisfied dog will be either; aggressive, overly affectionate, unruley, mischievious, dispondant, or a combination thereof. As a ranging pack animal dogs have an inate need/want to be part of a larger group and to travel as part thereof, which is why all dogs love to be walked. With working breads they have been selectively bread to strengthen certain behavioral traits; with huskies/malmutes/other sled dogs the trait they have been bread to enhance is the desire to run, boarder collies have been bred for the hearding instinct, terriers largely have a hunting instinct, poodles and labadors a retrieval instinct, blood hounds (hounds in general) a stalking instinct, etc. Just like any animal that has a strong desire to do a certain thing they are happiest when fulfilling that desire. Cruelty would be not allowing these dogs to do what they are bred for.

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This is one of the reasons I have so much respect for domestic cats, over domestic dogs. A dog will love you, because it's been taught to. It's been bred into their nature to do what they're told.

This isn't really correct. A dog loves you because they are a pack animal and have an inate desire to belong to a group. If there are placed into a group of humans the humans assume the role that other dogs would in the natural pack. This is why humans were able to so easily domesticate dogs; to the dogs we fulfilled the role of the pack leaders... they did tasks for us and we rewarded them with food, which is exactly how a pack of wild dogs operate - the subordinents fulfill a role and the leaders reward them for it. Cats on the otherhand were never domesticated by man; rather, cats domesticated themselves. Cats chose to live in close proximity to human populations because human activites attract rodents and other pray for small cats. The hunting activities of cats provided a benefit to man because it controled the rodent and vermin populations. So, where the dog was domesticated because we provided benefit to them the cat chose to be close to man not because of a benefit given to them from man but because the areas near humans were advantageous to them (and we allowed them to stay because it was also advantageous to us). In addition, the wild varients of small cats are all solitary animals, thus, they have no instinct to belong to a larger group. Dogs love us because we are a substitute for the pack and their instinct is to contribute to the pack, cats don't love humans at all and do not perceive themselves to be part of a group; rather, they likely view being with humans as a partnership with them. If you're part of a family you have an obligation to same, if you're a partner your cooperation only goes as far as your benefit.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk A dog will love you, because it's been taught to. It's been bred into their nature to do what they're told.

So hypothetically, over a period of years you can breed dogs to naturally "love" their owners, but you can't, as Nou suggests, breed dogs to want to pull things?

Re: Why HALLO thar I AM DOG.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/20..._and_sleds.html

Welcome to 2 weeks ago.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk The photography is awesome. Can't help but think that they're somewhat cruel though. The chick with the fishing line dangling? Wtf. Beautiful dogs, in any case.

They do beat them from time to time when they get out of order.... its just establishing dominance since those dogs are not like regular dogs, they are a bit more wild.

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Originally posted by aquila That truly deserves it's own variant of WTF.

Believe it or not it'd be a peachy place to hide drugs though because who's gonna check in there?

Some interesting points here. I guess I hadn't really considered the pack nature of dogs, regarding their behaviour like this.

I would say that the image below is the most interesting point yet made in this thread.

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Originally posted by Zharen

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Some interesting points here. I guess I hadn't really considered the pack nature of dogs, regarding their behaviour like this.

I guess you never considered the moving nature of kookaburras and how fun they are to shoot either.

nice pics

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