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VOTE NOW: WMC vs IBIZA
OK, so let's just say I'm bored, it's cold outside, and checking in on TA everyday is making time progress at an incredibly slow pace.
So, here's the deal: After returning from the Ibiza closing parties last year, I was quite intrigued with this question. I've had a few conversations with people about it, and it's always interesting the points that are brought up. I even spent some free time writing up an in-depth analysis on the topic. Basically, I broke it up into as many categories as I could:
Location
Weather
Beaches
Transit
Accomodations
Food & Beverage
Community Dispostion
Venues
Events & Music
People & Vibe
Cost
Miscellaneous
Summary
Of course, as is the case with a lot of shit I do, I lost interest after a couple days and never finished it, leaving a few categories unfinished. Still, looking back on it now, it fills nearly five pages on Word, and the topic still interests me.
And so, for the purpose of discussion (and to kill some time), I pose the question to all of you:
All things considered, which is a better time:
The six or so days of WMC, or an equivalent amount of time spent in Ibiza??
So place your vote and discuss your reasoning. I can post excerpts on certain categories from my document, but it's probably too long to post the whole thing, and I'm not trying to bore anyone to death.
ibiza easy. simply because theres no miami bullshit to deal with. but i think im biased being from miami and all. also done wmc 7 times (8 this year) and did ibiza for the first time last august.
ibiza > wmc.
ibiza
its an island devoted to djs
I would sway a little more toward WMC..
Unfortunately there is always the cocky natives who don't welcome foreigners. Ibiza is a culturally diverse island, and many european countries (including the diverse partygoers in ibiza) dislike americans. But I can't lump that into one category, because the people who are welcoming and friendly 
outnumber the hostile ones.
well, always good to be on your own soil.. but everyone loves a vacation from that though!
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| Originally posted by PatMcGroin simply because theres no miami bullshit to deal with. |
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| Originally posted by rudeflame ibiza its an island devoted to djs |
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| Originally posted by inshaneMembrane I would sway a little more toward WMC.. Unfortunately there is always the cocky natives who don't welcome foreigners. Ibiza is a culturally diverse island, and many european countries (including the diverse partygoers in ibiza) dislike americans. But I can't lump that into one category, because the people who are welcoming and friendly outnumber the hostile ones.well, always good to be on your own soil.. but everyone loves a vacation from that though! |
Good stuff so far.
Pat, it's a breath of fresh air when someone can acknowledge their own bias. I've been to maimi more times than I can count, so I know a little of what you mean, but I'm sure your experience dwarfs that of someone who doesn't live there.
I had intended to post my entire analysis somewhere on the internet, like a blog or whatnot. Not only did I not finish it, but my final few entries were just plain lazy, so I gave up. I'd been meaning to re-visit it for some time, but free time and motivation quickly evaporated. Anyway, what I think I'll do is post a little of the unfinished product piece by piece leading up to WMC. Hopefully that keeps the discussion going.
Ibiza, simply because of the vibe, and the fact it's a whole season rather than just a week.
It's funny you posted this, my friend and I are planning on skipping the WMC next year in lue of Ibiza closing parties. We might come down just for the weekend in Miami next year instead of the full 6 days.
I think with the ammount of djs, parties, boat parties, etc. All happening in 6 days, Miami is unmatched. In Ibiza it is spread out over the session from May to October.
We are so hyped for next year that we have stopped watching wmc movies (mostly because we have seen them all) and have switched to Ibiza movies and research.
Any one have any good tips for some Ibiza virgins? We plan on getting there Monday morning and leaving the following Tuesday. We wanted to go to the opening parties but they seem spaced out compaired to the closings.
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| Originally posted by Dream Beamz lol, there is definitely "Miami" bullshit to contend with in Ibiza. Door prices are whatever they feel like at the time, drink prices change like stock prices, over packing of the clubs and shady security. I will say the night makes the difference. I went to space on we love space sunday's and then on join our revolution tuesday and the security and everything was much different |
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| Originally posted by DPetey81 Good stuff so far. Pat, it's a breath of fresh air when someone can acknowledge their own bias. I've been to maimi more times than I can count, so I know a little of what you mean, but I'm sure your experience dwarfs that of someone who doesn't live there. |
Well I just literally just bought my tickets/hotel for Ibiza. It will be my first time.
I love my Miami, and I love WMC, but somehow this year just seems to be a bit off. Not sure if it's Ultra taking all the big name acts and making them exclusive or something else.
And I probably won't hear any of these comments while I'm in Ibiza that I hear every year during WMC from the springbreakers, "how come they are not playing hip-hop", "they are having this thing called WMC" , "some DJ is playing, Dirty South,does he play hip-hop?"
It is like comparing apples and organes. 
I really like both but I don't see the point in comparing them since the only thing they have in common is DJs.
I don't believe it's apples and oranges at all. I think it's safe to say many of us visit Ibiza for most of the same reasons we go to WMC. Maybe red apples and green apples.
So, here's the first category preceded by a small intro and disclaimer, which weren't important, except for the last sentence, which perfectly foreshadowed my laziness, haha...........
Obviously, these are only going to be my opinions and my observations. In no way am I an expert, or stating my conclusions as pure fact. It's just something I've been pondering and I'm curious as to how my thoughts will play out. I welcome any and all objective input. Hopefully, harsh criticism of my analysis will be witheld, but I know how the internet is, haha. Also, there is no need to inform me of how bored I must be or how I have too much time on my hands, because I am already very aware of such things. In any case, I realize that there will probably be holes in my reasoning throughout but, whatever, it's just for fun anyway. I just hope that one or two people enjoy the read. So, here it goes......................
Ibiza vs WMC
All right, so the premise of this is to look at the five or six days in Miami during Winter Music Conference, and compare it to an equivalent amount of time in Ibiza. I see the flaw in such a comparison, since the Miami side of things is a once-in-a-year special event, while Ibiza remains in a similar state for the entire summer. In no way could I simply compare Miami to Ibiza, because we all know that Ibiza would dominate such a discussion by fans of edm. So, to make things a little more fair, it's WMC versus any stretch during the summer on the island. I will break it down into different categories, comparing the two, and then picking which one I think comes out on top. At the end, I hope to have an opinion of which one wins the overall discussion. Or I just might grow weary of the entire idea and scrap it all together, in which case no one will even read this sentence, so................ um................ yeah:
Location
What does it's position on the globe offer, in terms of proximity?
Ibiza: A short flying distance from so many of the great cities on this planet. Since so many international flights connect in London, France, Barcelona, and Madrid, for a lot of people it's never more, figuratively speaking, than a hop and a skip away. Also, it's almost an equal, and not too horrible, distance away from the Americas and most of Asia. The fact that it is an island means that nobody can drive to it, and there are only a few locations with direct flights.
WMC: Miami's location at the very southeastern tip of the U.S. means a bit of a hike for most anybody. While a short flight from anything east of the mississippi, even west coast residents have to strap in for a little bit. Two fairly large international airports (FLL and MIA) mean not too many headaches (read:connections) coming from overseas, though not exactly a walk in the park, either. Driving is a painless option for anything as far north as maybe Atlanta.
Edge: Ibiza - Really, one of the more centralized vaca spots on the planet (sorry Australia, but no place is close to you)
One thing Ibiza doesn't have anymore, with a few exceptions is the 24 hour party. Everything pretty much stops at 6 am and doesn't start back up until 4:30 pm. It will be insane but it also seems like anyone going now is 4 years to late. Although people say the WMC isn't as good as before either.
One thing I do like about WMC is how you can just go to a random event or be at some place eating and one of your favorite DJ's will just be in the crowd drinking and having a good time. Last year alone, I met Donald Glaude, Richie Hawtin, and Sebastian Ingrosso
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| Originally posted by Stacks One thing Ibiza doesn't have anymore, with a few exceptions is the 24 hour party. Everything pretty much stops at 6 am and doesn't start back up until 4:30 pm. It will be insane but it also seems like anyone going now is 4 years to late. Although people say the WMC isn't as good as before either. |
I feel like WMC is Ibiza's 3 month season fit into one week. That being said, both have its pros and cons. Obviously, WMC has more Americans, whereas in Ibiza you find more Europeans and Brits.
In both places you find your die hard partyers. I'd say there are more drugs being taken in Ibiza, however I know WMC has its fair share as well.
As far as costs. Ibiza is expensive. I'll never forget paying 15 Euros at Amnesia for a can of Red Bull (which is equal to like $23) and I think I may have purchased 2 that night. lol
4 hours to WMC vs. 14 hours to IBZ.
Last time I was in Ibiza was July of 2007. This is going to be my 3rd WMC in a row. I am shooting to go to Sensation White in Amsterdam July 3rd this year, with Ibiza the week before or after of anyone is interested...hopefully I'll put my credit card where my mouth is in April...
Ibiza vs WMC
Weather
Ties in with location, but deserves it's own category.
Ibiza: Sunny and warm, with ocean breezes rolling in off the water. The general forcast seems to match the majority of people's descriptions of paradise. It seems the occasional storm can roll through, especially late in the season.
WMC: Sunny and hot. The early spring actually is a little cooler than the following months in Miami. Still, the humidity can really sky rocket some days, leaving you gasping for air. This is especially a problem for those people who go at it too hard during the festival, as the paramedics keep very busy there. The ocean breeze doesn't seem to be as prevalent here. As a rule in Miami, it will rain. Again, it's not quite as bad at the end of March, but you can still expect a a little rain during WMC, though it usually only lasts a short time.
Edge: Ibiza - I recently experienced a ton of rain in Ibiza, but from everybody I've talked to, this is extremely rare. On the other hand, I know from a lot of experience that you are likely to get wet at some point in Miami, and the humidity is crazy at times.
Beaches
Sun and sand
Ibiza: Well, it's an island, so there's no shortage of choices when it comes to beach bumming. From busy tourist areas to isolated locations, from soft powder-like sand to coral laden strips of land...variety is the key here. No matter where you are staying, chances are there is a beach just a few steps away. If you prefer something a little off the beaten path, then it's as simple as a boat, bus, taxi, or car ride away. The water is clear and can hover near the 25 degree range (77farenheit).
WMC: Though other beaches can be found within driving distance, for the purpose of WMC, Miami Beach is the the only practical one. Still, this doesn't mean that there is a shortage of sand to go around. The beach stretches as far north as you'd want to venture. The most popular stretch is located at the south end (the last 20-25 blocks or so), hence the name South Beach. This area can get quite busy any time of year, let alone during WMC. The further north you hike, the more the crowd will thin out, but there are few secluded spots to be found anywhere near the action. The water temperature during this time of year is quite comparable to that of Ibiza in the summer.
Edge: Ibiza- Though I am a huge fan of Miami Beach, especially South Beach (I named my dog after it), this was a pretty easy choice. Tons of variety, as well as an option to escape the crowds, beats out one very long, and very busy strip of Florida's best.
Transit
Getting Around
Ibiza: Discussion about Ibiza transit starts and ends with the Discobus, haha. I mean, how great... a bus that takes you to and from the doorstep of the megaclubs. The bus system as a whole is quite effective, while remaining very simple. It runs very regularly 24/7. There are also free buses run by a few of the clubs. Taxis are reliable, quick, but can be expensive if not filled and/or travelling a greater distance than just the clubs. Rental cars are also an option. I don't think they are too practical for club travel, but could be quite handy if used for a couple days to explore the island. Alternatively, boats and ferrys are available for day trips to remote islands.
WMC: Everything that happens during WMC is basically located within just a few mile radius. The only necessary travel occurs between South Beach and downtown. Taxis are the most practical form of transportation from one spot to the other. Buses run between the two, but I've never used them. Some American bus systems are overly complicated and I've heard that the main stop in downtown might not be the best place to hang out. Nevertheless, I'm sure using the busses can be effective if researched beforehand. Rental cars are another option, and can be really inexpensive depending on what you get. Parking can be a problem, though, especially in South Beach. Once again, a rental car is probably only practical for a day or two if yo wanted to explore the outreaches of the city or take a day trip to the keys.
Edge: WMC- This was a tough call, but Miami gets the nod because of the close proximity of all the activity during WMC. Walking can usually be the primary form of transit. The Ibiza bus system is terrific, but you have to cover a lot more ground on the island.
When I was ibiza 2 years ago, it rained all week and no local would try to answer me in English...
My vote: WMC.. closer to home, can speak freely anywhere and I am a bus ride away from hotel. Ibiza - no buses @ night/morning.
vibe: ibiza gets the vote
cant really compare the 2. wmc miami is very concentrated can see so many djs all in one city in one week, plus most djs there to bring new material to show off and usually play their A game. ibiza looks like better beaches and bigger massive clubs and a few other cool smaller venues and this runs all summer so there are both good pros and cons to both
DETROIT
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| Originally posted by epdarks DETROIT |
been to wmc 4 times and ibiza once. anyone who says wmc > ibiza just hasn't fucking been to the island. period.
that's assuming you could only choose one or the other. sure they're "not comparable," but if you had to make a choice...
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| Originally posted by entro been to wmc 4 times and ibiza once. anyone who says wmc > ibiza just hasn't fucking been to the island. period. |
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