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More Democrat party racism
Funny how these things still don't get reported in the main stream media. I continue to wonder... how full would the airwaves be if Rush or Sara Palin or ANYONE registered Republican said this:
Dan Rather yesterday on Hardball, discussing Obama:
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| Listen he's a nice person, he's very articulate.... but he couldn't sell watermelons if you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic. |
@ the others at the roundtable discussion all starting to talk out loud to drown out Rather when they realized what he just said. | quote: |
| You almost need that blank piece of paper. That's the new model. Like, you know, this coconut Rubio down in Florida. |
I see your point that if a Conservative made those comments, the media would be all over them. But I�m going to remain consistent and state that those were probably not the intended meaning of what was said, and give the speakers the benefit of the doubt, the same way I do when Conservatives make comments like those.
It�s too easy to offend people and break the laws of political correctness these days, and I think that ALL such cases should be left alone unless the racism is overt, blatant, and clearly intended.
The first comment could have been innocent.. The second, no way. That's like calling a black person an Oreo.
Yes, Dan Rather is a racist Democrat.
I thought it sounded like this was taken out of context. i.e. when I read the transcript, it looked like Rather was suggesting that his statement was something the GOP might say, but that they weren't necessarily his personal beliefs. I could be wrong, but that was how I read it. Then again, maybe it was a way to camouflage his thoughts as those of someone else.
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Rather said the GOP would say, "Listen, he's a nice person, he's very articulate. This is what's going to be used against him. But, he [President Obama] couldn't sell watermelons if you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic." |
???
That's the worst attempt at outing racisim I've ever seen.
I didn't catch the comment in the first one. The only word I thought might be some kind of slur was 'watermellon', in saying how Obama couldn't sell them. Now with all the other fruit references I'm going to explore the possiblity that all talk of produce is dangerously racially charged. What I really don't understand is why the gangrenous 'race' that grew up in a Native American culture is such a huge group to offend (green on the out side red on the inside?)?
Or maybe it is a slur against gangrenous gays if you consider the inside of a watermellon pink.
and coconut... really? That's even worse. The context isn't even right. Anyone with a scrap of critical thinking can see that even in a 24 second clip, which isn't great for getting context, the word 'coconut' is being used to describe someone as out on a limb, crazy, bizzar or off the wall. 'Wing nut', 'nut job', or 'waco' could have just as easily been used; none of which mean offense to the trades people of the world, the nut farmers, or the residents of waco TX.
Then there is the issue of people who self identify in fruit terms. I've met a handful of second and third generation Asians who have described themselves as banana's as an easy way to let people know the difficulties they have relating to recent immigrants of the same visible culture.
In broader terms even the notion of 'race' is something that is an anachronisim. Anyone who's read much about the world will quickly realize that skin colour has almost nothing to do with a person's comportment in society. Any stereotypes attributed to those of any skin colour quickly fall apart as it becomes known that each group of people identifiable by skin colour has a myriade of different cultural traits that are formed more through location of upbringing than by anything associated with skin pigments.
In short, using the term 'race' shows an amount of undereducation in today's world that will do little else but remove the user of the word from global political and economic debates due to the massive gap in understanding that it's use shows.
LOL @ liberal racism. It's like calling Einstein a retard. Let's see who are the real racists.
110th Congress Racial Demographic
Republicans-
African-American: ZERO
Hispanic-American: 4 (3/4 are anti-communist Cubans WHAT A SURPRISE)
Asian-American: 2
American-Indian: 1
Democrats-
African-Americans: 42
Hispanic-American: 24
Asian-American: 7
http://www.house.gov/daily/110thdemographics.htm
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| Originally posted by Comrade Stalin LOL @ liberal racism. It's like calling Einstein a retard. Let's see who are the real racists. 110th Congress Racial Demographic Republicans- African-American: ZERO Hispanic-American: 4 (3/4 are anti-communist Cubans WHAT A SURPRISE) Asian-American: 2 American-Indian: 1 Democrats- African-Americans: 42 Hispanic-American: 24 Asian-American: 7 http://www.house.gov/daily/110thdemographics.htm |
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| Originally posted by atbell ??? That's the worst attempt at outing racisim I've ever seen. I didn't catch the comment in the first one. The only word I thought might be some kind of slur was 'watermellon', in saying how Obama couldn't sell them. Now with all the other fruit references I'm going to explore the possiblity that all talk of produce is dangerously racially charged. What I really don't understand is why the gangrenous 'race' that grew up in a Native American culture is such a huge group to offend (green on the out side red on the inside?)? Or maybe it is a slur against gangrenous gays if you consider the inside of a watermellon pink. and coconut... really? That's even worse. The context isn't even right. Anyone with a scrap of critical thinking can see that even in a 24 second clip, which isn't great for getting context, the word 'coconut' is being used to describe someone as out on a limb, crazy, bizzar or off the wall. 'Wing nut', 'nut job', or 'waco' could have just as easily been used; none of which mean offense to the trades people of the world, the nut farmers, or the residents of waco TX. Then there is the issue of people who self identify in fruit terms. I've met a handful of second and third generation Asians who have described themselves as banana's as an easy way to let people know the difficulties they have relating to recent immigrants of the same visible culture. In broader terms even the notion of 'race' is something that is an anachronisim. Anyone who's read much about the world will quickly realize that skin colour has almost nothing to do with a person's comportment in society. Any stereotypes attributed to those of any skin colour quickly fall apart as it becomes known that each group of people identifiable by skin colour has a myriade of different cultural traits that are formed more through location of upbringing than by anything associated with skin pigments. In short, using the term 'race' shows an amount of undereducation in today's world that will do little else but remove the user of the word from global political and economic debates due to the massive gap in understanding that it's use shows. |
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| Originally posted by Shakka Jesus. This doesn't mean anything as far as being racist goes. Bush had 2 african-americans in his cabinet, but apparently they didn't count because they were Republicans. Alan Keyes is black. Michael Steele is black. Larry Elder is black. Fuck, Don King is a republican. Who cares? You're making a faulty argument that a lack of presence of one demographic group somehow implies something far more sinister. Sorry man, I'm really trying not to get as adversarial with you lately, but I get irritated by baseless generalizations like this. |
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| Originally posted by atbell ??? That's the worst attempt at outing racisim I've ever seen. |
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| Originally posted by atbell ??? That's the worst attempt at outing racisim I've ever seen. I didn't catch the comment in the first one. The only word I thought might be some kind of slur was 'watermellon', in saying how Obama couldn't sell them. Now with all the other fruit references I'm going to explore the possiblity that all talk of produce is dangerously racially charged. What I really don't understand is why the gangrenous 'race' that grew up in a Native American culture is such a huge group to offend (green on the out side red on the inside?)? Or maybe it is a slur against gangrenous gays if you consider the inside of a watermellon pink. and coconut... really? That's even worse. The context isn't even right. Anyone with a scrap of critical thinking can see that even in a 24 second clip, which isn't great for getting context, the word 'coconut' is being used to describe someone as out on a limb, crazy, bizzar or off the wall. 'Wing nut', 'nut job', or 'waco' could have just as easily been used; none of which mean offense to the trades people of the world, the nut farmers, or the residents of waco TX. Then there is the issue of people who self identify in fruit terms. I've met a handful of second and third generation Asians who have described themselves as banana's as an easy way to let people know the difficulties they have relating to recent immigrants of the same visible culture. In broader terms even the notion of 'race' is something that is an anachronisim. Anyone who's read much about the world will quickly realize that skin colour has almost nothing to do with a person's comportment in society. Any stereotypes attributed to those of any skin colour quickly fall apart as it becomes known that each group of people identifiable by skin colour has a myriade of different cultural traits that are formed more through location of upbringing than by anything associated with skin pigments. In short, using the term 'race' shows an amount of undereducation in today's world that will do little else but remove the user of the word from global political and economic debates due to the massive gap in understanding that it's use shows. |
The17sss, always taking the big issues head on.
So who are the racists? If you're black (or another minority) and you associate with conservative you are ostracized from the community...
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Black conservative tea party backers take heat Apr 6 06:07 PM US/Eastern By VALERIE BAUMAN Associated Press Writer ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - They've been called Oreos, traitors and Uncle Toms, and are used to having to defend their values. Now black conservatives are really taking heat for their involvement in the mostly white tea party movement�and for having the audacity to oppose the policies of the nation's first black president. "I've been told I hate myself. I've been called an Uncle Tom. I've been told I'm a spook at the door," said Timothy F. Johnson, chairman of the Frederick Douglass Foundation, a group of black conservatives who support free market principles and limited government. "Black Republicans find themselves always having to prove who they are. Because the assumption is the Republican Party is for whites and the Democratic Party is for blacks," he said. Johnson and other black conservatives say they were drawn to the tea party movement because of what they consider its commonsense fiscal values of controlled spending, less taxes and smaller government. The fact that they're black�or that most tea partyers are white�should have nothing to do with it, they say. "You have to be honest and true to yourself. What am I supposed to do, vote Democratic just to be popular? Just to fit in?" asked Clifton Bazar, a 45-year-old New Jersey freelance photographer and conservative blogger. Opponents have branded the tea party as a group of racists hiding behind economic concerns�and reports that some tea partyers were lobbing racist slurs at black congressmen during last month's heated health care vote give them ammunition. But these black conservatives don't consider racism representative of the movement as a whole�or race a reason to support it. Angela McGlowan, a black congressional candidate from Mississippi, said her tea party involvement is "not about a black or white issue." "It's not even about Republican or Democrat, from my standpoint," she told The Associated Press. "All of us are taxed too much." Still, she's in the minority. As a nascent grassroots movement with no registration or formal structure, there are no racial demographics available for the tea party movement; it's believed to include only a small number of blacks and Hispanics. Some black conservatives credit President Barack Obama's election�and their distaste for his policies�with inspiring them and motivating dozens of black Republicans to plan political runs in November. For black candidates like McGlowan, tea party events are a way to reach out to voters of all races with her conservative message. "I'm so proud to be a part of this movement! I want to tell you that a lot of people underestimate you guys," the former national political commentator for Fox News told the cheering crowd at a tea party rally in Nashville, Tenn., in February. Tea party voters represent a new model for these black conservatives�away from the black, liberal Democratic base located primarily in cities, and toward a black and white conservative base that extends into the suburbs. Black voters have overwhelmingly backed Democratic candidates, support that has only grown in recent years. In 2004, presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry won 88 percent of the black vote; four years later, 95 percent of black voters cast ballots for Obama. Black conservatives don't want to have to apologize for their divergent views. "I've gotten the statement, 'How can you not support the brother?'" said David Webb, an organizer of New York City's Tea Party 365, Inc. movement and a conservative radio personality. Since Obama's election, Webb said some black conservatives have even resorted to hiding their political views. "I know of people who would play the (liberal) role publicly, but have their private opinions," he said. "They don't agree with the policy but they have to work, live and exist in the community ... Why can't we speak openly and honestly if we disagree?" Among the 37 black Republicans running for U.S. House and Senate seats in November is Charles Lollar of Maryland's 5th District. A tea party supporter running against House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., Lollar says he's finding support in unexpected places. The 38-year-old U.S. Marine Corps reservist recently walked into a bar in southern Maryland decorated with a Confederate flag. It gave his wife Rosha pause. "I said, 'You know what, honey? Many, many of our Southern citizens came together under that flag for the purpose of keeping their family and their state together,'" Lollar recalled. "The flag is not what you're to fear. It's the stupidity behind the flag that is a problem. I don't think we'll find that in here. Let's go ahead in." Once inside, they were treated to a pig roast, a motorcycle rally�and presented with $5,000 in contributions for his campaign. McGlowan, one of three GOP candidates in north Mississippi's 1st District primary, seeks a seat held since 2008 by Democrat Travis Childers. The National Republican Congressional Committee has supported Alan Nunnelee, chairman of the state Senate Appropriations Committee, who is also pursuing tea party voters. McGlowan believes the tea party movement has been unfairly portrayed as monolithically white, male and middle-aged, though she acknowledged blacks and Hispanics are a minority at most events. Racist protest signs at some tea party rallies and recent reports by U.S. Reps. John Lewis, D-Ga., and Barney Frank, D-Mass., that tea partyers shouted racial and anti-gay slurs at them have raised allegations of racism in the tea party movement. Black members of the movement say it is not inherently racist, and some question the reported slurs. "You would think�something that offensive�you would think someone got video of it," Bazar, the conservative blogger, said. "Just because you have one nut case, it doesn't automatically equate that you've got an organization that espouses (racism) as a sane belief," Johnson said. Hilary Shelton, director of the Washington bureau of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, suggested a bit of caution. "I'm sure the reason that (black conservatives) are involved is that from an ideological perspective, they agree," said Shelton. "But when those kinds of things happen, it is very important to be careful of the company that you keep." |
everyone involved in the tea party should be vilified, regardless of race.
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NY Senator: 'You Racist People In Here' Sen. Kevin Parker Hurls Racism Accusations At Colleagues In Albany, Calls Republicans 'White Supremacists' Reporting Marcia Kramer ALBANY (CBS) ― It looks like the circus and childish antics are rearing their ugly head once again in Albany. It started as an angry blow-up, and then it escalated. A state senator with a history of anger management issues says his race-based rant was part of his fight against the "evil of white supremacy." Brooklyn State Senator Kevin Parker is a well-documented hothead, and on Wednesday he took to the airwaves to unapologetically defend his latest shouting match. "It's par for the course for what we have to do in Albany � fighting the forces of evil," Senator Parker said. Parker shockingly identified the "enemies" he's fighting as other senators. "These long-term, white supremacist, you know, Republican senators," he said. That followed a free-for-all shouting match in Albany Tuesday where Parker heatedly objected to the questions asked by a white senator, John DeFrancisco of Syracuse, of a black nominee to the New York State Power Authority. "John, you are totally out of order, you are out of order," Parker shouted. "How dare you? You racist people in here." Committee Chair Carl Kruger tried in vain to get Parker to calm down. "You're out of order � why don't you step outside," he told Parker. "You're disrespecting me as chairman. One more outburst like that and I'll ask you to be removed." Parker didn't like that one bit. "Okay, then get somebody to remove me. Bring people though," Parker said. There have been other temper tantrums involving the senator. Last year he was accused of felony assault after doing $1,000 in damage to the car of New York Post photographer William Lopez and smashing his camera after he snapped Parker's picture. Two years ago, an aide filed charges against Parker, claiming he pushed her during an argument and smashed her glasses. In 2005, Parker was accused of punching a traffic agent in the face. The charges were dropped after parker agreed to take anger management classes. Senator Parker is due in court next month on the assault case. Sources tell CBS 2 his attorney is trying to cut a no-jail deal, but the district attorney isn't buying it. The Brooklyn district attorney would like to try the assault case this summer, before Parker has to stand for reelection in a September primary. |
come on shakka. your interests and concerns are far deeper and worthwhile than this.
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN come on shakka. your interests and concerns are far deeper and worthwhile than this. |
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