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Layering up basses like sean tyas - how?

Hiya I sent a remix im working on the the label and they said it could do with more going on in the low end and told me to listen to sean tyas about 2008 and try to go for that kind of sound.

Anyone got any tips?

You want your sub to have as much depth as the sub in the kick generally, get a good flow between them.. I usually filter the kick down or if I am playing two seperate kicks, one with sub, one with high, I solo the sub and the sub bass and make sure the energy transfers.. then after that I mess with the higher bass sounds

Can we have a sample?

Could be you shaved off the low end from the kick a little to much?

It depends really on the track imo.

Some tracks I won't cut the "mid bass" and will purposely even layer a harder hitting bass (low freq) underneath the mid so you can feel it punch around the kick. But if I'm doing a track like that, its very difficult to have an offbeat sub bass on top of everything to drive the beat further.

It usually gets muddy doing it that way. But if I need a sub it may just hit for 1 or 2 notes a bar, and I make sure to clear room from the mid bass when the sub hits. If I have the sub on too many notes then eventually the mid bass groove gets swallowed entirely by the sub cause you wind up clearing so much room from the mid, the mid disappears (even leaving the mids in I've found it will drown out). But basically layering usually always will do the trick with low end.

I remember a sean tyas "tutorial" someone had made where the bass was layered with sytrus, vanguard, and actually slayer. The guy had cut the lows on syrtus and vanguard, but kept the lows from slayer. The bass sounded identical to some of sean tyas work. I believe I found the tut on the flipside forums, if you have Fruity I could prob get it for you but it was def on of the closest to Sean Tyas I've seen, nothing was done but simply layering. And I never once considered using slayer for trance basslines till that day, but it did add a very unique distorted flavor to the bass.

personally i would have an offbeat bass preset (quite a deep sounding one ) high passed around 80 - 100 hz compressed maybe with some release but sidchained to a kick with a short decay, then a mdirange offbeat bass low cut to around 500 hz and high cut to around 1000 hz less in volume tho, i would have a plucky bass sound probably a k-b-B-b( or a similar pattern) with some cutoff velocity changes to give it a more live feel and or volume velocity changes, this bieng sidchained too and i would put a filter on this maybe bandpass with some automation and maybe a high pass also just to let the bass of the preset in and out when extra omph is needed like on a small break etc, then i would have a distorted lead kinda sound coming in every now and then with some white noise and res init, with cuttof automation here and there the give it a wishy washey sound,, all together they seem to work for me with lots of more tweaking!

if they tell you to listen to sean tyas as an example you should not be sending your music to this label

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Originally posted by jupiterone if they tell you to listen to sean tyas as an example you should not be sending your music to this label

why? i disagree, i like sean tyas. his tunes at least alot of them did and still do sound awsome in a club imo.

Why put the sub offbeat, why not sidechain, sounds much better IMO

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Originally posted by sako487 Why put the sub offbeat, why not sidechain, sounds much better IMO

i did say sidechain it with some release on the patch, so the release is turned down in volume when the kick comes in, what you say would work tho with the right settings im sure, but i normally save that for more slower prog sounding tunes

what i meant by my reply is i think there are better people to suggest for bass help than sean tyas. it doesn't even have to be club music, there are just better people to take examples from

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Originally posted by jupiterone if they tell you to listen to sean tyas as an example you should not be sending your music to this label

I disagree also, this label have secured me international airplay and is run by some very intelligent and serious guys. Usually if they say its good it is, if not then I trust them.

Also who wouldn't want to write like sean tyas? His tunes are great, I hadn't even listened to him before yesterday but they are very well produced.

I did actually nail it by the way, well I say nail I mean I got something I am happy with

Sub K-b_K-b_ Sidechained

Mid KbBb KbBb with a really snappy patch with all the low cut off to about 150hz

Then another bass style patch I made over 4 bars playing a long note with a fast rising filter sweep from low to high then two more single hit notes with the filter open in the final bar again eq'd out all the low.

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Originally posted by Sonic_c Hiya I sent a remix im working on the the label and they said it could do with more going on in the low end and told me to listen to sean tyas about 2008 and try to go for that kind of sound.

Do we really need more tracks that sound like that ?

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Originally posted by Subtle Do we really need more tracks that sound like that ?

Would that be a bad thing?

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Originally posted by Kysora Would that be a bad thing?

Depends on who you ask, in this case he is whoring himself out to a label by making a style of music that "sells" and yeah thats definitely a bad thing.. artistic freedom anyone ?

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Originally posted by Subtle he is whoring himself out to a label

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And is that wrong maybe he wants to get his foot in the door with the record company...Then do original material

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Originally posted by Waza And is that wrong maybe he wants to get his foot in the door with the record company...Then do original material

Well I just want to make tracks that are good enough to get out there. I mean they done some great things for me and I havent released for a while and since my last one they have signed some good talent. They are the type that make big huge trance monster records that sell so I just kinda want to prove I can too.

Oh and they signed my most original track first, and that was nothing like commercial trance. Admittedly they had it remixed into trance monster land but still.

Thanks for stickin up for me

I could think of far worse people to model than Tyas to be honest with you.. It's always easy to bag out the big guns, isn't it?

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Originally posted by Aesthetic I could think of far worse people to model than Tyas to be honest with you.. It's always easy to bag out the big guns, isn't it?

Scott Hardkiss!

anyone who has something against sean tyas should tell us who we should be listening to intead! maybe we do aswell

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Originally posted by Subtle Do we really need more tracks that sound like that ?

If it will help you make better tracks in the future, why not?
practice is practice! The idea is to make lots of tracks to practice on so that in time you will not only make quality tracks but also develop your own style.

IMO , having a great mid bass isn't very important. What is more important , is that you have a great sub bass that rolls along with the kick. I mean , look at Aly & Fila. Many of his tracks is dominated by that Sub Bass that they use frequently.

And I find that , what makes a song more interesting in terms of basslines , is the presence of moving acid lines or screaming FM basslines , instead of those mid basses.

Some tips I have picked up:

- Don't go over-board with EQ or filtering off frequencies, cause you'll make all your sounds weak.

- Sometimes get a good patch you use for leads or acid or whatever, throw a load of delay on it, and use the same or similar notation to your basslines, then drop it down like 2 octaves, leads pitched low with a good bass already sounds niceeeeee.

- Experiment with square and saw combinations, be careful of sine cause it takes up a tonne of headroom up easily.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Some tips I have picked up: - Don't go over-board with EQ or filtering off frequencies, cause you'll make all your sounds weak. - Sometimes get a good patch you use for leads or acid or whatever, throw a load of delay on it, and use the same or similar notation to your basslines, then drop it down like 2 octaves, leads pitched low with a good bass already sounds niceeeeee. - Experiment with square and saw combinations, be careful of sine cause it takes up a tonne of headroom up easily.

thanks for the advice, my basslines have been lacking major. You just sped up the process a wee bit :P

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 - Experiment with square and saw combinations, be careful of sine cause it takes up a tonne of headroom up easily.

how could sine take up more headroom then other waveforms? there's no harmonics present. i would have thought using sine waves would allow more space in your mix, rather then causing headroom issues.

that being said, i rarely use sines as they tend to sound a little lifeless

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