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Burning speed

Just curious how many people still adhere to the no faster than x 4 rule for burning cd's??

I just loaded up a stack of Verbatim Super Azo's with tracks and threw caution to the wind and burnED at x 16

I'm guessing time will tell with regards to errors etc, but my mate told me he has always used x 32 and never had a problem.

I have burned hundreds of discs all at high speed for years and years, and I have never had errors and glitches. Slow burning is a waste of time and one of those perpetual bullshit stories with no basis IMO.

Speed isn't the issue. But IMO if your comp has been on for several days and you start burning, it may cause errors, if Windows is acting slow. So booting the system is good before burn session.

Na i always burn at full speed and never had any problems.

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Originally posted by djkopernikus Speed isn't the issue. But IMO if your comp has been on for several days and you start burning, it may cause errors, if Windows is acting slow. So booting the system is good before burn session.

Did you test this theory of yours?

it's all 1s and 0s anyway....

either it burns correctly or it doesn't....

there's no gray area

52x all day

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Originally posted by chewy dragee Did you test this theory of yours?

Yes. I have had errors when my comp has been on for days.

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Originally posted by epdarks it's all 1s and 0s anyway.... either it burns correctly or it doesn't.... there's no gray area

lol, that's complete bullshit. I take it you don't really know much about how CDs actually work.

I burn at 24x without issues. I could go for 52x as any cds I've burned at the speed have worked out fine as well; I'm just a bit more cautious with the cds I actually mix.

I burn at half the speed of the rated media. Never had issues. Definitely no need to burn at anything slower these days.

i burn at 86x never had any issues. Slow burning = donkey nuts

I usually burn at the max speed the CD was designed for. I've personally never had an issue.

Random question...does it matter what software you use to burn cds? I was recently told that the audio quality can be negatively affected if you burn via iTunes for example. Is this true? Would a cd burned through iTunes sound worse than a cd burned with Nero, for example?

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Originally posted by zizack Random question...does it matter what software you use to burn cds? I was recently told that the audio quality can be negatively affected if you burn via iTunes for example. Is this true? Would a cd burned through iTunes sound worse than a cd burned with Nero, for example?

No difference in quality. This is only an issue with how good the source is. Don't play out anything less than 320kbps files on a big system.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY No difference in quality. This is only an issue with how good the source is. Don't play out anything less than 320kbps files on a big system.

I really only play wavs out.

I just got a little nervous for a second when someone tried to tell me that iTunes was not a good way to nurn cds, because it downgraded the sound quality, or something like that.

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd i burn at 86x.....

I can promise you this: You don't.

Post pics or STFU!

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Originally posted by skip lol, that's complete bullshit. I take it you don't really know much about how CDs actually work.

nope. don't really care either. never had a problem at 52x

why don't you enlighten me skipper

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Originally posted by epdarks nope. don't really care either. never had a problem at 52x why don't you enlighten me skipper

I'm no expert on the subject, as it really isn't my field of study, but I've looked into it a bit. There's a thing called error correction in CDs. It's related to "oversampling" the signal and because sound consists of sinusoidal waves only, the original signal can be reproduced unchanged. But like I said, I'm no expert on the subject and it does relate some math that might not be very simple. But it definitely works and is used in loads of things besides CDs.

Anyway, to make it simple, a CD can have "loads" of errors and still be able to reproduce the signal unchanged, due to the error correction. A CD with no errors in it (pretty much impossible) and a CD with some errors in it will sound exactly the same. But the CD with errors can't handle as much errors as the flawless CD (scratches etc.) and therefore is the shittier one of the two. If you scratch them exactly the same, the one with more errors initially will fail sooner.

The relation of burning speed to the amount of errors on CDs isn't really a simple thing as there are various manufacturers of CDs and various manufacturers of burners and every manufacturer also makes products with different specs.

Also I don't know if it is actually easy to measure the amount of errors in a CD with gear you've got home, so it might not be so easily determined. But the popular consensus is that you should burn at the speed the CD-R and your drive is specified at, not above, or below. They're built to work the best at that rate (that's what they say at least, might not be true always).

So, in conclusion, the gray area is not audible, but having your CDs at the "darker gray area" will make them more prone to failure. Predicting where in the gray area your CDs end up with different burning speeds isn't necessarily very simple.

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Originally posted by skip I'm no expert on the subject, as it really isn't my field of study, but I've looked into it a bit. There's a thing called error correction in CDs. It's related to "oversampling" the signal and because sound consists of sinusoidal waves only, the original signal can be reproduced unchanged. But like I said, I'm no expert on the subject and it does relate some math that might not be very simple. But it definitely works and is used in loads of things besides CDs. Anyway, to make it simple, a CD can have "loads" of errors and still be able to reproduce the signal unchanged, due to the error correction. A CD with no errors in it (pretty much impossible) and a CD with some errors in it will sound exactly the same. But the CD with errors can't handle as much errors as the flawless CD (scratches etc.) and therefore is the shittier one of the two. If you scratch them exactly the same, the one with more errors initially will fail sooner. The relation of burning speed to the amount of errors on CDs isn't really a simple thing as there are various manufacturers of CDs and various manufacturers of burners and every manufacturer also makes products with different specs. Also I don't know if it is actually easy to measure the amount of errors in a CD with gear you've got home, so it might not be so easily determined. But the popular consensus is that you should burn at the speed the CD-R and your drive is specified at, not above, or below. They're built to work the best at that rate (that's what they say at least, might not be true always). So, in conclusion, the gray area is not audible, but having your CDs at the "darker gray area" will make them more prone to failure. Predicting where in the gray area your CDs end up with different burning speeds isn't necessarily very simple.

Awesome post. Very informative.

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister I can promise you this: You don't. Post pics or STFU!

there is no 86x you retard

And 86x will make the CD explode in the drive.

Myth busted.

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd there is no 86x you retard

I'm not the pecker who claimed to be able to burn at that speed.

You were.

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