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Has Trance gone pop?

As we all know the popularity of trance has soared in the last couple of years. However with popularity comes the dreaded word POP! Has trance gone pop? Artists like Alice DJ, Darude, ATB and many others are pumping out hits that are played in the mainstream. Is it positive for the scene that Sandstorm is played at hockey games on a constant basis? I really liked that track when it first dropped but now its reached overkill. The problem is someplaces are still spinning stuff like that, like they're still fresh.

Here in Toronto we've reachd a new plateau. The new Z103.5 has included more trance tracks in its playlist. For instance I just heard Matt Darey's remix of Heaven's Earth and Chicane's Saltwater, something that a year ago would never get played during daytime hours! A more dance/trance oriented station means more exposure to songs we already know. This is something that has been happening in Europe for a while.

So what do y'all think? Is this trend a positive or negative for trance music? Has trance gone pop or has the mainstream finally gotten wise?

Peace...

if the music is good then i think everybody should be able to hear it everywhere. as long as the quality doesnt go down the more the merrier(however you spell that damn word) peace!!

my thought on this is:
let those artists do what they want with their music...if they want it played up top, let them play it up top. the song will burn itself out, eventually, just like all other songs in mainstream culture. in the process, maybe, just maybe, it will bring some sort of recognition to the underground electronic scene. if that happens, embrace it. dont shun it away like alot of underground listeners do. more listeners means bigger target audience, more talent, better & larger venues, etc. etc. i feel that the acutal genres of trance, along with many other forms of electronica, will never actually go 'pop', just because so many people don't understand the music itself. thats my opinion.

Lexi

PS - for future reference, always check for existing threads before starting new ones! alot of TA's in this particular forum will have a cow. no offense guys.

Hmm, now that you mention it, there is a cow coming out of me! Thnx lexi! haha. Yeah this topic comes up alot, I think that everyone else is just slowly figuring out what we always knew, that trance is the fucking shiat. If it's great, one can assume that 'the others' will one day figure it out. Enjoy it while you can, experimental music and performance art is even getting popular! Look at Blue Man Group and Intel. There will be no escape. hehe peace.

U can add ATC to that list of artists that go mainstream, that song Around the World is popular in the states here and is being played on the local "pop" stations.

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Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 U can add ATC to that list of artists that go mainstream, that song Around the World is popular in the states here and is being played on the local "pop" stations.

Was ATC ever NOT pop crap? Sure they just got released in the US, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have always been making this shit. I highly doubt they were underground artists. Hell naw! peace.

Hmmm

I know im gonna get flamed for writing this but wouldn't you guys somehow WANT it to go mainstream.. I Know how popular Trance is in Europe but it hasn't been very long in the US when the whole "rave" scene is starting to take over. I mean, i dunno about you guys but sometimes when i heard mainstream trance on the radio (atb, darude..etc) , it makes me feel like trance is startin to take over.

of course radio's overplay the songs but isn't that true for EVERY song that goes mainstream.??

Re: Hmmm

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Originally posted by DisBejS of course radio's overplay the songs but isn't that true for EVERY song that goes mainstream.??

Which is exactly the reason I would hate to see Trance go mainstream! Do you want to hear every Trance song you love get the shit played out of it on the radio??? In my opinion, the masses like songs that are "catchy" and it doesn't go any deeper than that. They wouldn't be able to appreciate real Trance the way we do.

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Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 U can add ATC to that list of artists that go mainstream, that song Around the World is popular in the states here and is being played on the local "pop" stations.

ATC is Trance , I wouldn,t call it Trance but it is in the TOP 10 pop charts in Australia and is still climing. Back to the ? I think the reason that Trance is starting to crack into the Mainstream charts is because the amount of people that listen to this type of music has grown ,inableing it to sell enough to get it into these mainstream charts , but this dose not mean the the mainstream listeners are the ones that are buying the CDs.

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Originally posted by KristineClub In my opinion, the masses like songs that are "catchy" and it doesn't go any deeper than that. They wouldn't be able to appreciate real Trance the way we do.

You're right, but quality tracks like Infernal - Sunrise are catchy too, and it would be a shame if they got overplayed. The masses like the uplifting trance, preferably with vocals, I think. This type of music is not my favourite, but I like it and I think it's a shame when this complete style gets mainstream. Let's just hope it won't. A few of these numbers in the charts ain't a bad thing.

Popularity of Trance

As a matter of fact, as some people already know Trance has been a commercial/mainstream music for quite some time now. As far as I am concerned there is nothing wrong with producing good tracks, which eventually get commercial success. Some of the artists do not target the charts (and of course some do), but their tracks get recognized world wide. It is not something anyone can prevent from happening (just look at what happened with hip-hop music over the years). But in my opinion, it doesn't make the music itself any worse and surely will not turn me away from it just because of the commercial factor. And since Trance came out of the underground and became mainstream just proves how many people do appreciate the style of music that we all dedicated ourselves to as loyal fans.

Matt Van Ax

The real problem is...

When the Dj's start caring more about what the radios want and not the people thats the real problem with going mainstream...

Mizzz

The problem with going mainstream is that eventually the scene dies, just look what happenend to hardcore here in holland. It started underground and more and more songs made their way in to the top 40. And eventually artists like hakkuhbar and gabberpiet(who made songs that had absolutely nothing to do with hardcore) killed the whole scene. We cannot let that happen to trance!!!!

I would say
Most cool guys listen to Trance

Some loners will listen to trance to
then they become cool

& the word spreads
& I really think it's getting popular

The cheesy trance has become commerical &mainstream ie: "sandstorm, we are alive, spente le stelle". Those tracks are catchy, appeal to the masses, & easy to ingest.
I know Trance is HUGE in Europe, but I think Epic trance is dying.
Look at any record site or go to any store, there isn't that much quality trance being made. Y do u think Pvd despises being labeled the King of trance, b/c there is much cheesy pop trance being produced. There is SO MUCH prog house being made. Thats what's in, thats the Nu Breed Sound. There is a scarcity of Good trance being made which is why Pvd & Tiesto recylce the same records. Tiesto & Corsten will keep making great tunes. They have to resort to playing older tunes & classic. Digweed plays up front tracks every month b/c prog house is being made by the dozens.

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Originally posted by Twilogoddess The cheesy trance has become commerical &mainstream ie: "sandstorm, we are alive, spente le stelle". Those tracks are catchy, appeal to the masses, & easy to ingest. I know Trance is HUGE in Europe, but I think Epic trance is dying. Look at any record site or go to any store, there isn't that much quality trance being made. Y do u think Pvd despises being labeled the King of trance, b/c there is much cheesy pop trance being produced. There is SO MUCH prog house being made. Thats what's in, thats the Nu Breed Sound. There is a scarcity of Good trance being made which is why Pvd & Tiesto recylce the same records. Tiesto & Corsten will keep making great tunes. They have to resort to playing older tunes & classic. Digweed plays up front tracks every month b/c prog house is being made by the dozens.

I still don't agree...

Mizzz

Then what's your take? Y do Pvd & Tiesto play the same records all the time? Y does PVD hate being called Leader of the Trance Nation?

I'm friends w/2 up & coming DJs & frequently talk to the buyers at Satellite records, they all agree w/me.

Ahhhhhhhhh Twilogoddess.......

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Originally posted by Twilogoddess Then what's your take? Y do Pvd & Tiesto play the same records all the time? Y does PVD hate being called Leader of the Trance Nation? I'm friends w/2 up & coming DJs & frequently talk to the buyers at Satellite records, they all agree w/me.

I don't agree becuase i've geard many remixes..to say tiesto is playing all old tracks that he plays all the time is a half truth..yes he plays tracks which he mad but he does mix up styles..i can't say that ISOS2 is like Magik 6 becuase it isn't, it does have jis "signature" songs though...but as everyone eles has said...old songs aren't bad....especially when they are of the quality that he produces..


Mizzz

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Originally posted by Twilogoddess The cheesy trance has become commerical &mainstream ie: "sandstorm, we are alive, spente le stelle". Those tracks are catchy, appeal to the masses, & easy to ingest. I know Trance is HUGE in Europe, but I think Epic trance is dying. Look at any record site or go to any store, there isn't that much quality trance being made. Y do u think Pvd despises being labeled the King of trance, b/c there is much cheesy pop trance being produced. There is SO MUCH prog house being made. Thats what's in, thats the Nu Breed Sound. There is a scarcity of Good trance being made which is why Pvd & Tiesto recylce the same records. Tiesto & Corsten will keep making great tunes. They have to resort to playing older tunes & classic. Digweed plays up front tracks every month b/c prog house is being made by the dozens.

I think Trance will grow a lot more before it dies

The way I see it within every genre of music you have the more commercial stuff and tracks for the real headz.

And ofcourse like any other music there are different distinct styles within the genre. The problem is that sometimes commercial success might tempt more producers to create the commercial sound instead of keeping the scene diverse.

The thing I love about trance is that there is a different style for any mood. Hard, soft, epic, psychadelic, progressive, etc. etc. etc.

And hey if a song is good it deserves to be heard. Let it get played out, enjoy it while you do, then move on.

I'm sure we're all used to that by now!

peace out...

nope...

Alice Deejay is indeed pop, but it is meant to be.. it is not even trance!! nor is it supposed to be. darude, however IS trance, and u can count the number of pop fans on one hand who have heard anything by darude that's not sandstorm or feel the beat. Trance is not pop nor will it ever be, adn thats why it doesnt appeal to the mainstream. u cant go saying vengaboys are trance, and are ruining the genre.. the true tragedy would be if, say, picotto started making top 40 hits...
DaNNy

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the true tragedy would be if, say, picotto started making top 40 hits...

that's exactly what's happening, here in holland komodo was a super hit, and i've already seen the new video called proximus on tmf. And not only mauro picotto makes top 40 hits cause i also saw a video of marco v - in charge on the box. If every body will know all the trance songs trance will lose his special underground feeling.

trance will never fully be pop
and yes... i will agree with the fact the alice deejay was MEANT to be mainstream..
i think the alias was created for that purpose alone..
but trance itself will never be pop..
some trance will be..
but u can't say trance the genre will become just another pop genre.. coz thats nite right..
tiesto and pvd play the same tracks..
because... well i rambled on abt that in another thread.. so blah

ok i just have to say...... we do not have to listen to the radio!!!!!therefor if a really good song goes mainstream we dont have to hear it 10 times a day every day. all i listen to is my cds. i rarely listen to the radio. so if a song gets over played that means i love it and im playing it out myself. yeah it kind of sucks if you go to clubs. but i dont go to clubs that often that ill be hearing the shit over and over. if i go to a club its to see a particular dj. and other than that its only every once in a while. all i know is trance does a great thing in uniting people and if we dont want that to spread than thats just crazy. i love trance and i wish more people could get the feelings it gives me. peace!

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Originally posted by arno that's exactly what's happening, here in holland komodo was a super hit, and i've already seen the new video called proximus on tmf. And not only mauro picotto makes top 40 hits cause i also saw a video of marco v - in charge on the box. If every body will know all the trance songs trance will lose his special underground feeling.

He's right:
In Holland Komodo is at number 24 in the charts, and Proximus comes right after it on number 25. And mister Picotto is pushing his songs to become hits, because the video's are some sort of miniserie. At the end of Komodo's video you see the text: 'to be continued...' Proximus takes the story from where Komodo left it.

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