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Posted by johncannons1 on Mar-22-2010 06:33:

NEW song - ROYALTIES

hey guys.

alot of you have got stuff signed...

quick question..

royalties - is this standard ?

Royalty percentage: physical singles & albums: 16 % digital downloads: 25 %

this is with a fairly reputable label too.

just not sure about this stuff and i know alot of you would know.

cheers
JC

Posted by Fledz on Mar-22-2010 06:58:

Is that 25% of profits or 25% of sale price?

50% seems to be standard for profits, which would equate to 25% of sale price because I think the stores like BP generally take what, 50%?

Posted by Zak McKracken on Mar-22-2010 09:14:

what label

Posted by johncannons1 on Mar-22-2010 10:18:

im guessing i end up with 25% total? im not sure im new to this.

its bonzai. or banshee worx i think theyre the same thing

Posted by Zak McKracken on Mar-22-2010 10:38:

it doesnt matter, it wont be anything more than a nice meal at mcdonalds anyway. but banshee/bonzai will get u somehow exposed so just do it.
ive had one single and one remix over at thems, theyre cool people.

Posted by Kysora on Mar-22-2010 11:48:

This sounds like a question you should be asking the label and not us.

Posted by Storyteller on Mar-22-2010 12:26:

Kysora is right. You should have asked your label contact.

Beatport pays out about 50% of the sales price on the site (excluding tax!). If there's a distributor party in between that party takes a nibble as well. Then of course the label. In the end you get left with a few cents.

Labels start taking bigger percentages these days too (which leaves less for the artist). Why? Because a lot of (new) artists seem to accept low percentages and because the label otherwise will seize to exist in no time because they don't earn a sufficient amount of cash. Either way it's crap.

I hope my new label (and it's interesting business model) will scare the shit out of some existing labels when it launches

Posted by Kismet7 on Mar-22-2010 13:31:

good music, on a good label, sells.

bad music, on a bad label, likely wont.

Posted by Zak McKracken on Mar-22-2010 13:35:

how bout bad music on a good label, or good music on a bad label? what about that? u forgot about that.

Posted by Fledz on Mar-22-2010 13:48:

Good music on a bad label generally under performs because of lack of marketing and word of mouth.

Posted by Storyteller on Mar-22-2010 14:06:

And bad music on a good label often sells more than the average track because of the bigger audience the label has.

Posted by Zak McKracken on Mar-22-2010 14:08:

so the trick is to mass-produce shitty tracks and get them on a "good" label? what is a good label today anyway?

Posted by orTof�nChiLd on Mar-22-2010 18:59:

anjunabeats.....

Posted by Kismet7 on Mar-22-2010 19:31:

quote:
Originally posted by palm
how bout bad music on a good label, or good music on a bad label? what about that? u forgot about that.

Good music will sell...EDM is a fan based genre. Whether they are fans of the Genre, Artist, or Labels. Of all the genres out there at the moment, EDM is closest to comic books or video games. Fans find the good music wherever it is. Especially when it comes to an artist that consistently has been releasing music at a decent quality. Or a label thas been consistent. It just takes one or two big records or a less successful "amazing track" to build a following that looks through all your music to find more gems after discovering you as an artist. Even though good marketing is almost nonexistent, dance music will sell and does sell if its good. Unless of course the distributors are stealing sales...

Posted by johncannons1 on Mar-22-2010 22:47:

i was asking you guys cuz some of you have a lot of tracks signed. and asking the label -
john: hey guys is 25% good ?
Label: ofcourse
John: ok.

haha

thanks for the responses anyways. just wasnt sure if it was standard or not.
i dont really plan to mkae money of this. just get my name out there more! - i just didnt want to get ripped off in the process.

Posted by DjStephenWiley on Mar-23-2010 10:13:

Posted by Storyteller on Mar-23-2010 10:55:

yes

Posted by Storyteller on Mar-23-2010 10:55:

maybe.

Posted by Fledz on Mar-23-2010 11:24:

Sometimes

Posted by Storyteller on Mar-23-2010 11:32:

Perhaps, but maybe not.

Posted by Fledz on Mar-23-2010 11:36:

Yea, I'm gonna choose to fence sit on this one.

Posted by Zak McKracken on Mar-23-2010 11:44:

why? bad track on a good label was already concluded to work out pretty well. just do it.

Posted by zodiac9 on Mar-24-2010 02:45:

99% of labels offer 40 to 50 percent royalties, by default. Bonzai/Banshee Worx default contract is what you stated, physical singles & albums: 16 % digital downloads: 25%. You have to negotiate to get more. Good thing about Bonzai, their reputation is good, and they have a huge following. It's still hard to sell tracks, but at least with a well established label you have a fighting chance. People will at least take a listen.

Storyteller, I'm real interested in knowing what your business model idea is. I've had an idea in mind for quite a while. It might already be in use somewhere. The best model, seems to me, is to give tracks out for free. Have sponsors support the label with adds on the label's site. Some of the money from the sponsors would be set aside for the artists, and each artist gets a certain percentage for each track sold. This is probably the model of the future, when people don't buy music anymore.

Posted by Storyteller on Mar-24-2010 08:20:

Sorry, for now I'll keep my lips sealed. I want to be the first I know of.

Posted by bas on Mar-26-2010 05:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Kismet7
good music, on a good label, sells.

bad music, on a bad label, likely wont.

Sage advice here

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