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Just sold my MIDI controller quite some time back, looking for a mixer to mix trance/house/techno/minimal.

I have quite a limited budget. I plan to route the outs of Traktor/Ableton to the mixer for now, and will get a DVS/CDJ (still undecided) with the proper interface in the future.

Don't know if mixer effects are important to me because I have some in Traktor and Ableton, I use the effects quite often in techno/minimal mixes.

These are the mixers I have in mind -

Numark X6 - Very affordable, 2 channels, great efffects (told by my friend)
A friend of mine suggested this, not a fan of Numark stuffs though.

Vestax PMC280 - 4 channels, 16 effects, running on extended budget
Saw this while surfing the net, seemed quite cool.

Korg KM202/402 - 2/4 channels, in-built KP pad
Read some reviews on the net about not so great build quality, but seemed pretty good overall.

A&H Xone 22 - 2 channels, very basic, filter sweep
Basic mixer with great built quality from A&H.

Ecler Nuo 2.0 - 2 channels, very basic, fx send/return
Basic mixer with great built quality from Ecler.

Pioneer DJM400 (used) - 2 channels, effects, sampling, running on extended budget
2 channel mixer with some effects, and great built by Pioneer.

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Will be nice if you guys give your honest opinions, cheers!

I had the pioneer djm-400...its a great little unit for what it is

behringer DJX-700 ?

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Originally posted by darouge11 I had the pioneer djm-400...its a great little unit for what it is

+1. I started off on it for a few years. Only downside is lack of balanced out and booth output.

I now have an Ecler and would recommend anything in their line.

how is the behringer djx-700. What do most of you think about it ?

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Originally posted by uziva how is the behringer djx-700. What do most of you think about it ?

I've only heard negative thing to be honest.

If you're gonna go Behringer, go for the newer DDM4000.

Xone. Always Xone.

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Originally posted by uziva how is the behringer djx-700. What do most of you think about it ?

Behringer is to the DJ world, what it and Mackie is to the pro audio world. Inexpensive gear that's ok, but I wouldn't rely on it's longivity.

Best advice is to find a place where you can demo them. See what you like/dislike about each one and how each one fits your needs.

My next mixer, well when the Denon's die will most likely be an Allen & Heath. Prob. a 92. The A&H stuff comes from years of pro live sound experience. The technology in the pro gear, is in the DJ gear.

I'll avoid Behringer for now, don't really like the way their stuffs look like. Yes it is cheap, but I doubt it will last.

Steering my decision on these -

A&H Xone 22 - 2 channels, very basic, filter sweep
Basic mixer with great built quality from A&H.

Ecler Nuo 2.0 - 2 channels, very basic, fx send/return
Basic mixer with great built quality from Ecler.

Pioneer DJM400 (used) - 2 channels, effects, sampling, running on extended budget
2 channel mixer with some effects, and great built by Pioneer.

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I'm liking the looks of the Ecler Nuo 2.0 a lot.

That's a good list of mixers.

Personally I quite like the look of the Nuo. I've never played on one but have heard nothing but good things about the Nuo range.

Some people complained that the mid eq took a little too much bass away i think. Not sure if i remember that 100% but it was a while back.

Other than that sound quality and build quality are top notch.

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Originally posted by uziva how is the behringer djx-700. What do most of you think about it ?

Vile.

It's got most of the same features as a DJM600 for about 1/4 of the price. How? Because they use the cheapest parts they possibly can across the whole device.

As a result, it breaks incredibly easily and sounds awful.

Everyone I've known who's owned one had it fail on them through normal bedroom use within the first 6 months, within a month for one guy.

To most people it's not quite cheap enough to make it disposable - and if you can afford to throw that much money away, you can also afford a better mixer!


As a bit of background, Behringer take a different approach for their DJ gear from their other equipment. For studio gear, guitars etc they set a price they want to enter the market at and then invest loads of time and effort in getting the best quality product they can at that price. With their DJ gear, they pick a model to copy the features of (or a few models to copy features from) and then get the price down as low as possible to make it a too-good-to-be-true bargain.

I remember when Behringer first came out. At the time they were marketing their products against Mackie. Basically copied all of the Mackie pro mixer designs, but at half of the cost of a Mackie. Instead of spending $1100 on a Mackie 1604, you can buy our version for half that. Which at that time pissed off Mackie and all the lawsuits came flying from Mackie. Suing Behringer for infringement. If I remember correctly, Mackie withdrew the lawsuits because you couldn't copyright a certain basic mixer design.

As Stu stated, it's gear which is designed to mimic the real gear, but is built with the cheapest parts to keep the costs down. IMO I would stay away from the stuff.

Don't get the xone 22, its not for mixing. I had one and sold it for xone 32

I think I'd go for the ecler or maybe try and pick up a xone 32 off ebay .

Personally, I'm finally investing in actual equipment and going awy from laptop use. I've been looking at the DJM400. Its got a lot of the stuff that its big brother, the DJM800, has to offer. Great product with great durability. My friend has it, and its better than a lot of the products that I've been demoing.

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd Don't get the xone 22, its not for mixing.

What is it for then? It's a mixer!

Or do you mean it's designed for scratch mixing? If so, this is true... but you've still got everything you need to mix in a basic fashion: gains, EQ, channel faders, crossfader (with adjustable curve, which is rare on smaller mixers), cue mix... and they've even given you a basic filter and an FX send loop.

In fact it's got everything most 2-deck DJs will need, particularly if you strap an FX box onto it, which is normally a better way to go than getting a mixer with built-in FX as you can take them with you to gigs and have the same features when you play outside your bedroom.

i have a nuo 5 now for a few years and i still love it as much as day 1

never had any problems with it and the audio quality is just amazing!

so i would advice to get the nuo 2 and you have a rock solid mixer for the next decades

Xone32

Seems like my list was pretty good, since I'm not in a hurry to get the mixers I'll just wait for a used one in good condition to shave off a few dollars since I'm on limited budget.

Thanks for the opinions/comments folks!

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Originally posted by Stu Cox What is it for then? It's a mixer! Or do you mean it's designed for scratch mixing? If so, this is true... but you've still got everything you need to mix in a basic fashion: gains, EQ, channel faders, crossfader (with adjustable curve, which is rare on smaller mixers), cue mix... and they've even given you a basic filter and an FX send loop. In fact it's got everything most 2-deck DJs will need, particularly if you strap an FX box onto it, which is normally a better way to go than getting a mixer with built-in FX as you can take them with you to gigs and have the same features when you play outside your bedroom.

its a scratch mixer, and lemme tell you i still have mine and its waiting to be sold. Its not designed for mixing. You can't hear both channels in cue at fulll volume on the headphones, i explained this before. When you move the headphone mix knob to the middle for both channels the volume decreases. You can't mix 1 channel with the master either, as you can see there is a button for master channel or channel cue, its not both. One or the other.

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Originally posted by user19503 Xone32

+1 and no xone 22 for the last time

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd its a scratch mixer, and lemme tell you i still have mine and its waiting to be sold. Its not designed for mixing. You can't hear both channels in cue at fulll volume on the headphones, i explained this before. When you move the headphone mix knob to the middle for both channels the volume decreases. You can't mix 1 channel with the master either, as you can see there is a button for master channel or channel cue, its not both. One or the other.

Well with only 2 channels you don't really need to cue the master at the same time as one of the channels... I know it can be a nice feature to have, but remember loads of mixers (Xone:62 for instance, which was the staple house mixer for years) only let you cue on/off on each channel without any kind of cue mix.

And the volume dipping with the cue knob in the middle - again, it's not ideal but it doesn't take long to get used to pushing the headphone volume up. Loads of mixers cue the master after the master level, so if the master level's down from max you'll find you'll have to crank up the headphone volume in a similar way when you want to cue just the master.

Getting used to working around mixer oddities is actually a REALLY useful skill to have, because then you can deal with anything you might face when you play out.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox Well with only 2 channels you don't really need to cue the master at the same time as one of the channels... I know it can be a nice feature to have, but remember loads of mixers (Xone:62 for instance, which was the staple house mixer for years) only let you cue on/off on each channel without any kind of cue mix. And the volume dipping with the cue knob in the middle - again, it's not ideal but it doesn't take long to get used to pushing the headphone volume up. Loads of mixers cue the master after the master level, so if the master level's down from max you'll find you'll have to crank up the headphone volume in a similar way when you want to cue just the master. Getting used to working around mixer oddities is actually a REALLY useful skill to have, because then you can deal with anything you might face when you play out.

I already cranked the volume up when the mixing knob in the middle. Mixing while doing this feels unnatural. Try for yourself and you'll see. I already have the xone 32 and mixing with just using the cue like the xone 22 is shit.

Edit: i was in love with this mixer before i bought it, it had everything i wanted until i used it. Its a hiphop mixer

In the end for 100$ more you can get the xone 32 at dj deals

The 22 most certainly is not a scratch mixer, it's an entry level DJ (as in dance music) model. The Xone:02 is their battle model and if you look at the specs, you'll see there are several noticeable differences between the two.

Either way, I'd go with the 32 (I use one and love almost everything about it) as recommended, or the Ecler.

If you buy a xone 22 for mixing your an idiot

Edit: if you like it so much, here place a bid. I think its more like an entry level battle mixer

ebay

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