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Armada Bans tracks and Menno's podcast is now off itunes....
Armada Bans Tracks & De Jong�s Podcast Is Now Off iTunes
Was talking about this with people the other day in the club. Wondered what people thought of this?
Link:
http://beatsmedia.com/featured-2/ar...now-off-itunes/
Report:
Reported by Carolina Galli
Armin van Buuren�s label has informed the DJs they are no longer allowed to use Armada tracks on their podcasts. They will even have to remove old podcasts that include tracks from the label. Now, any track signed to the label is forbidden to be played any further than 2 min. Let�s all keep in mind that there are tracks with intros longer than that. Beyond the new 2-min restriction, they will now have to be taken offline after 30 days.
Here�s what Menno de Jong posted on his website:
�Due to a rather unfortunate situation with Armada Music / Cloud 9 the Intuition Podcast is currently not available through iTunes. Recently Armada / Cloud 9 has expressed that they do not want their releases to be featured in the Intuition Podcast. Despite efforts on my behalf trying to secure that the legally required royalty payments are made to them (by submitting playlists to the Dutch copyright authorities Buma/Stemra and Sena) their opinion has not changed. This has several direct effects:
iTunes has (hopefully temporarily) removed the Intuition Podcast from iTunes due to a complaint from Armada Music / Cloud 9.
I have had to delete all Podcasts containing Armada / Cloud 9 releases from my website.
I have salvaged Intuition Podcast 016 by cutting out their releases mistakenly put in there (the artist did not mention the fact that the release was signed to Armada / Cloud 9 when they sent me the promo, hence I accidentally put it in).
You can currently still download Intuition Podcast 015 and 016 by clicking on the RSS logo on the right of my website (this file can be viewed in iTunes like the regular podcast). Hopefully it will be business as usual very soon so that iTunes will continue to deliver the podcast to you. Once we are back up I will immediately put in the video report of �Menno Solo� which took place last year so you have something to look forward to.
Keep on enjoying the music. I�d like to stress once again that by purchasing music through the links provided in the enhanced podcast you are securing the future of podcasting, and helping artists, labels and podcasters around the world!�
The artists can�t even play their own tracks on their own podcasts. �I�m pretty bummed I can�t play my own tune on my own podcast� I�ve had a bunch of emails from �names� in the same boat. Shocking development�Where will it all end?�, questions Steve Helstrip aka The Thrillseekers via twitter.
Solaris International also got the notification from the label to take off their old podcasts that contain Armada songs. �We�re currently working on it, they have all been temporarily taken down from iTunes until we find the time to edit the Armada tracks out and then reupload to our podcast archive. Future podcast versions of the show will not contain any Armada material � we will continue to use Armada material on the show itself, but these tracks will be edited out of the 128kbps podcast version.�
Weird strategy, Armada. Podcasts are another good way for promotion. Millions of people try to stay up-to-date listening to the latest tracks selected by their favorite DJs, but they are trying to make a point with this decision. The problem they see it�s the podcasts being available for free download.
According to Promotion/Liscensing Manager for Armada Ruben de Ronde, the label will release a statement soon. �They are implemented because the amount of podcasts using the Armada masters, in full length and without jingles, speaks etc. is getting out of control. Why would you run a business in music when people can download all those podcasts with the masters in it? It is def in the best interest of the artists. If they read the guidelines before they facepalm, they�d understand.�
It will be interesting to see whether this helps Armada in the long run or not. They are making a good point in trying to keep free music on radio and in the clubs, where people discover new tunes. People tend to download those free podcasts and don�t feel the need to buy the tracks later.
Mike Foyle makes a few good points on Steve Helstrip�s Facebook profile:
�This is making me sad! I think Armada are trying to protect their artists and themselves. Whether this is the right way of approaching a much larger problem, I�m not too sure.
Thing is, if people insist on not paying for music, things like this are consequential of that. I�m a strong believer that illegal downloading does as much good as it does bad, but seeing as there is no hard medium to buy the less mainstream music on these days, the whole scene is showing signs of collapsing because the money that used to keep it afloat is not circulating as freely as it once was. It should be easy to preview, enjoy and discover new music for free. The problem is the lack of incentive when it comes to purchasing music. In the past, you could pop into your record store and buy a product. A vinyl was a piece of artwork on the cover, a piece of music on the record and a physical, limited edition product. There is incentive there. Where is the incentive when you are buying a replica of something which can be effortlessly reproduced an infinite number of times?
I don�t blame people for illegally downloading music, because the alternative is to get exactly the same thing for free.
We�re now facing a big dilemma. What can we do? Nothing at all as far as I can tell, at least not until a new, physical medium is introduced which is cost effective to mass produce but also desirable as a �product�. A lot of labels don�t even bother with artwork anymore, because they don�t have anything to print it on to. It�s like the entire dance music scene is at war with itself, rationing out the minuscule amount of money left circulating within it. Desperately releasing as much music as possible regardless of it�s musical integrity or quality in a struggle to scrape some extra pennies in.
It�s a bad time unfortunately, and it�s not really anyone�s fault. No one can blame the labels, or the artists or consumers. We just have to hope that the evolution of digital media mends itself over time.
I have a lot of respect for Armada and I also have to say I don�t blame them for making an effort where no one else seems to be. HOWEVER� I don�t believe that this is the right way of addressing the problem and I hope they realise this sooner rather than later.
Still, just remember that unlike everyone else they are simply trying to address a problem. For that effort alone I think fair play to them. But this is unfortunately going to do more damage than it does good in my opinion.
Life goes on. They are a great bunch of guys at Armada, and they�re working very hard trying to make things better for everyone I believe.�
There�s my 2 cents�
Mike
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I don't even listen to much new trance, but this is one of the most uninformed, ridiculous business decisions I've seen in awhile. What is ASOT going to do when these artists & their labels react in kind? Suddenly no Above & Beyond tracks because Anjuna says, "Go fuck youself, you can't let us play yours, you can't play ours."
This is one of the worst ideas I've ever seen in a scene that makes it's flesh & blood on playing other people's/label's tracks.
Seriously, who's fucking brainchild is this? It's just one more step to removing DJs from the equation and making it a producer-dominated industry. And that sucks, because a lot of good producers are shitty DJs or have so much overlap in their sound that listening to such a "controlled" podcast warrants it unlistenable.
maybe Armin and ASOT can go back to the days of playing all genres on the ASOT episodes
armada's new policy only applies to downloadable podcasts, not radio broadcasts. asot will still play armada tracks, you just won't be able to 'officially' download his asot podcast with armada tracks more than 2 minutes.
everyone at wmc had the WTF face to this, but i see where they're coming from. i don't actually think armada intends to sell more records this way.
Man I love Armin / Armada but after all this crap I've lost all respect.
Seriously people should just stop buying/spinning Armada tracks completely (which they most likely will out of fear of getting sued).
Assholes.
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| Originally posted by RoBDaWG (which they most likely will out of fear of playing cheese). Cheeseheads. |
I guess i have to watch my back. It's sad to. If you buy the track you should be able to play it on a podcast. Plain and simple.
What is total crap is that if you produce a track, and Armada signs it, you can't play it on your own podcast. That is really surprising to me.
I don't wanna pull any old episodes that I have up. And I will probably play an Armada release here and there but from now on I am just gonna take it easy with the Armada tracks.
Sucks and its unfortunate.
Either way though, ill continue to support Armada and Armin. They still have some great releases. Especially on some of the sub labels.
the irony of artists not even being allowed to play their own tracks for more than 2 minutes = priceless.
If anyone from Armada is reading this, GO FUCK URSELF PRICKS.
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| Originally posted by Burak14 the irony of artists not even being allowed to play their own tracks for more than 2 minutes = priceless. If anyone from Armada is reading this, GO FUCK URSELF PRICKS. |
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| Originally posted by pyro264jb dood its only trance,,,, bad trance at that hehe |
It would be one thing if they said from this point on etc. but they are backtracking previous uploads. Just think about how much inconvenience this has caused to so many DJ's that were simply trying to support them and their music. Personally after going through all this would you even want to bother anymore?
I think he shot himself in the foot with this "genius idea". Well, so much for your #1 spot for 2011.
There's a topic on this in the MD as well.
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...4&forumid=1&s=1
from my point of view they have not solved the pirating/free listening issue when hes still gonna blast all of these tracks out on ASOT radio. People will just record it chop it up and then post it to you-tube, from there anyone with a computer can have it in 3min...piss poor idea, i think the armada folks need to spend more time focusing on good business and less time trying to make as much money as humanly possible.
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| Originally posted by DGREG i think the armada folks need to spend more time focusing on good business and less time trying to make as much money as humanly possible. |
sometimes you have the law and the practicality of the law. i don't think armada will be able to execute this worldwide. people will still play their releases and armada can't sure the whole world.
I too think it is a dumb idea.
What Datt said was funny - what if he decides to throw in classics since he can't play Armada tunes.. and they happened to buy it.
Armada was turning into a monopoloy. I hope it stops. Everyone has sold their labels to them. What happened to shit like Intuition?
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| Originally posted by get nyce would a good business be not making as much money as humanly possible? this sets a large precedence in the music industry, artist and djs will need to carefully review their downloadable content when they post it live. I think that's a fair request for the business to make, they aren't preventing them from playing it, but if you're gonna put it up for free for people to DL, at least make sure they're following some guideline that might be affecting their business. They aren't saying don't play it, you can play it but don't record what you play and post it up for free. |
it's posted in MD.
They have some serious rules such as... 80% music then 20% must be filled with jingles and talking..
Every 20% of the length of the podcast must be interfered with..
edit since you guys don't really venture outside of NYTA here ya go:
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Hi *****,
I hope all is well with you. We would like to inform you about the usage of Masters of which Armada owns and its usage of it in podcasts.
Enclosed you will find the guidelines for the usage of Armada tracks in case you would like to use them in your podcast.
Please let me know if you have any further questions.
Thanks & Best regards,
Raya Brummelaar
Business Affairs
Armada Music B.V.
PO Box 75247
1070 AE Amsterdam
The Netherlands
P: +31 20 408 0846
F: +31 20 617 22 49
(Aim:Raya Armadamusic)
www.armadamusic.com
www.armadadownloads.com
www.djdownloadmix.com
* *
· A Podcast is a specific Radio program, which is broadcasted on a FM station, with music use not over 80%. The other 20% should be filled with jingles and talking with some degree of editorial / journalistic content
· The podcast should be offered to consumers on a website for not longer than one month.
· The podcast shall not be a full dj mix with only talking and jingles in front and/or at the end of the podcast. The music should be interfered within every 20% of the full length of the podcast.
· Armada tracks used in the podcast may not be longer than 2 minutes.
· The consumer shall be able to download the podcast as one full file, BUT shall not be able to download, burn, copy or scan the tracks as a independent file(s). The podcast may *only* be offered by the use of a
special podcast program (not to be able for copying etc).
· The list of titles including time usage should be published with the podcast on the website.
· You are not allowed to use more than 2 tracks of one album within one podcast.
· You are not allowed to use 4 tracks of one artist within one podcast of which maximum 2 tracks in a row. Not to use bootlegs or other illegal recordings, or pre-releases of Armada’s tracks , with the exception
that this has been allowed and cleared by the original owner.
· This approval only regards master usage and has no relation with the copyrights which belong to the composers and/or lyricists of the music compositions.
· You need to pay to SENA (Netherlands) or to a similar organization who collect the moneys for Neighboring rights, subject to local laws, the but at least with the minimum compensation asked by the Dutch SENA for music
usage.
that goes along with this new law they passed regarding radio. Im not sure if its in DC or if its everywhere but the gist of it is this...
radio station DJs cant play just any old cut from an album they want to. The song has to have been released as a single by the record label and sent over to the station. It sort of takes away from the exclusive hotness that a DJ can spin, but hey, it's record labels trying to protect artists, thats what it comes down to.
do we think it's BS what armada is doing? sure. Does Steve Helstrip have a legitimate beef? maybe, I mean it is his music, but then again, Dr. Dre doesn't own the masters for Gin and Juice, Suge Knight does. Am I saying armada is pulling some suge knight strong arm tactics? i dunno, not really.
im just saying that in an age where pretty much everyone pirates music, labels need to do something to make money for their artists who dont constantly tour. I downloaded a torrent file about a month ago that had one of marcello's tracks in it. i found that amusing. thats how I really know that you've blown up. lol
but yeah man, armada's doing what it has to do to protect the rights of the artists. maybe they are being a little nazi-ish, who knows.
yeah but then again, we are talking about a PODCAST only and a 128 rate quality.... or 192.... I dunno.
song is also being mix in and out of..
Another perspective can be found straight from Armins mouth as seen in his interview with MTV for ASTOT 450.
http://newsroom.mtv.com/2010/04/06/...tate-of-trance/
"Technology helps too. Though many musicians lose sleep over piracy, it has helped Van Buuren turn the virtual world into a club that never closes. "Thanks to the Internet and thanks to the illegal downloads, my name became known all over the world. I think it�s really important to use all of that technology to interact with your fans," Van Buuren said. "People ask me what my favorite club is to play. There is no favorite club to play because it has become a global audience. There's no more countries they're no more borders, we're all in the same country because of the Internet. People in Australia, people in India, people all over the world can listen to my latest track within a few seconds, which is amazing."
Not that I am a fan of Armada, but why would they punish the people actually purchasing their music to fight piracy?
I can't see this decision leading them to making more money, pirates will only pirate their music more out of spite, while customers who actually pay will not want to buy in fear of their podcasts getting shut down if they broadcast.. It's a lose - lose decision.
I understand they're just trying to protect their artists and I agree with that wholeheartedly, I just don't think it's a fair / working model that they've come up with. They're asking for 250 euros per track (just under $400) which still includes the mandates set forth for 2 min per track, talking etc.. etc.. The problem with this is that it's the same price of licensing a track for a traditional mix CD, but with even more restrictions (and no chance of a profit to boot). What they're effectively doing is asking the podcast provider to pay for all of the lost sales from the listeners - which I just can't see as a working business model. The 98 billion bedroom DJs (such as myself) can't afford it, and the average consumer will still be getting their music for free so they'll never feel the need to pay for music anymore than they did yesterday.
I'm all for supporting artists, but there needs to be a model that works. If they were asking for buy links to be embedded with each track, liners on top, and a low bitrate I think that would be a better solution for offering a positive way to guide people to do the right thing and buy their tracks.
My 2c..
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| Originally posted by Stassi Not that I am a fan of Armada, but why would they punish the people actually purchasing their music to fight piracy? I can't see this decision leading them to making more money, pirates will only pirate their music more out of spite, while customers who actually pay will not want to buy in fear of their podcasts getting shut down if they broadcast.. It's a lose - lose decision. |
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| Originally posted by BradMiller get nyce - I agree with you if they were asking for fair compensation but they're not. They asking for 500 euros per track (just under $400) which still includes the mandates set forth for 2 min per track, talking etc.. etc.. The problem with this is that it's the same price of licensing a track for a traditional mix CD, but with even more restrictions (and no chance of a profit). What they're effectively doing is asking the podcast provider to pay for all of the lost sales from the listeners. This simply won't work as a business model. The 98 billion bedroom DJs (such as myself) can't afford it and will just use material from a different label, and the average consumer will still be getting their music for free so they'll never feel the need to pay for music anymore than they did yesterday. I'm all for supporting artists, but there needs to be a model that works. If they were asking for buy links to be embedded with each track, liners on top, and a low bitrate I think that would be a better solution for offering a positive way to guide people to do the right thing and buy their tracks. My 2c.. EDIT - btw that letter circulating TA is the 'nice' version.. there's definitely a different one out there that's not so polite.. |
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| Originally posted by get nyce I only read a small portion to the terms, so it has me thinking "podcast" only as downloadable content where these rules apply. It does set the standard for other labels to enforce similar rules handed down by mastering tracks or signing to a label. I'm not saying I'm promoting the new terms and conditions, I'm just saying I don't find it outrageous for them to impose such standards. There's relevance there and it makes sense, especially with the itunes market and how many active customers use their marketplace for media. It's a large chunk, a chunk that an artist would want a piece of because of the exposure and any business mind sided ventures within it. |
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