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Non-verbal communication

Bear with me, I'm not as articulate as some of you fucks.

Cultural influences on communication aside, I was wondering whether there was a correlation between intelligence and use or non-use of expressive non-verbal communication.

On one hand, I think that a person who gesticulates a lot and makes very overt facial expressions might be showing greater intelligence, in a kinesthetic sense. In a way I can see this type of person being more wholly in tune with what they think and feel.

But on the other hand, does it not show a different type of intelligence to be able to express more, with less?

This applies to not only the sender of the message, but the receiver, too. To be able to perceive more on less information seems, uh, smarter?

I thought about this with words, too...and the ironic fact that to be able to communicate with less words, one actually has to know a whole fuck load of 'em.

I suppose this all depends on how one defines intelligence, but I'm not looking to get into a debate about that, either.


Anyway, as I thought of this, I made it seem perfectly logical in my mind that we should be able to communicate telepathically. Right? RIGHT??









Oh yeah, and I was watching Bob Blumer's 'Glutton for Punishment' just now and he was in a nettle eating and beer drinking competition - and it made me think of ********.

I should have made this a poll.

I would argue that the most effective communicators tailor their presentation for their intended audience; subsequently, they will use more non-verbal communication for those that more readily receive same and less for those that do not require it. Note; I would also argue that this has more to do with education then with intelligence.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I would argue that the most effective communicators tailor their presentation for their intended audience; subsequently, they will use more non-verbal communication for those that more readily receive same and less for those that do not require it. Note; I would also argue that this has more to do with education then with intelligence.

Well then. Now what the fuck are we supposed to talk about? And don't say your dick; I want to have a long conversation.

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Originally posted by jennypie Well then. Now what the fuck are we supposed to talk about? And don't say your dick; I want to have a long conversation.

If you and I were talking about my penis it would more accurately be described as a deep conversation.

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Originally posted by jennypie Well then. Now what the fuck are we supposed to talk about? And don't say your dick; I want to have a long conversation.

What about your dick?

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard If you and I were talking about my penis it would more accurately be described as a deep conversation.

Get the hell out of here.

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Originally posted by jennypie Get the hell out of here.

are we changing positions?

All I know is when I present for a class, I tend to gesticulate quite a bit more than with normal daily conversation. Dunno why.

I agree with moral, I think it usually depends on the situation / audience. Although some people tend to be more inclined to one or the other, I doubt it really signifies intelligence in any way. A person's vocabulary probably could, although some people have a large vocabulary without being that smart, and vice versa.

I just perform reiki on the clitoris.

I don't know... I know a few pretty stupid people who can't stop gesturing when they talk. Also, I worked in door-to-door fundraising for a bit and they teach you to be really expressive when pitching. You find yourself gesturing more when talking normally, like you can't stop pitching to people. So I don't necessarily believe it's a sign of intelligence, although it can be a very useful way of communicating.

Ok, but I'm not really asking talking about effective communication - that goes without saying (hah). And I think it does have to do with intelligence. I'm talking about a naturally good brain, not one that has to work hard at things, lol.

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Originally posted by enydo I doubt it really signifies intelligence in any way. A person's vocabulary probably could, although some people have a large vocabulary without being that smart, and vice versa.

Smart and intelligent are two very different things though. Intelligence is all about processing speed whereas one is considered smart if they have a large breadth of information readily available for recall.

See, and now we're talking about how intelligence is defined. I fucking knew this would happen. Fuck off Craig! Oh, and enydo!

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Originally posted by jennypie Ok, but I'm not really asking talking about effective communication - that goes without saying (hah). And I think it does have to do with intelligence. I'm talking about a naturally good brain, not one that has to work hard at things, lol.

In that case I would argue it has more to do with how one thinks rather then how efficiently one thinks. Some people simply do not think in terms of words; rather, they think in terms of pictures or actions; it seems logical to conclude that such persons would have a natural inclination to gesture while communicating. Again, this would seem to have nothing to do with intelligence.

You're pretty much describing what it means to have good communication skills. I don't really see how you can equate it to intelligence considering how many other variables are in play. I think the gap in your logic is that you're assuming that what someone expresses externally is a reflection of what they're thinking.

For example;

People may suffer from social phobias or anxiety disorders that make it more difficult for them to express themselves, either verbally or in gesture.

Some highly intelligent people tend to also be very introverted. This means they would have much less opportunity to practice their social skills.

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Originally posted by jennypie See, and now we're talking about how intelligence is defined. I fucking knew this would happen.

Well...maybe you should have communicated that better

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Originally posted by jennypie See, and now we're talking about how intelligence is defined. I fucking knew this would happen. Fuck off Craig! Oh, and enydo!

if you meant something other then intelligence then you probably should have paid closer attention to your diction.



Again, it all comes back to the dick.

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Originally posted by Cpt.Cocaine I think the gap in your logic is that you're assuming that what someone expresses externally is a reflection of what they're thinking.

Ok, so then what if the argument IS under the assumption that all have that capacity? Doesn't it seem more efficient to be able to do, well - anything, using less tools (words, gestures) to do it? Also assuming efficiency is most desirable.

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Originally posted by jennypie Ok, so then what if the argument IS under the assumption that all have that capacity? Doesn't it seem more efficient to be able to do, well - anything, using less tools (words, gestures) to do it? Also assuming efficiency is most desirable.

If you can guarentee the same meaning and effect from the more concise version, yes. But that still begs the question that gestures are more efficient than words.

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Originally posted by jennypie See, and now we're talking about how intelligence is defined. I fucking knew this would happen. Fuck off Craig! Oh, and enydo!

I was just trying to move the discussion along, yeeesssh.

Reiki though, on the clit.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J But that still begs the question that gestures are more efficient than words.

Yes exactly, thank you. What do you think?

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Originally posted by enydo Reiki though, on the clit.

Lol. I like that you kept it on task with a ******** reference.

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Originally posted by jennypie Ok, so then what if the argument IS under the assumption that all have that capacity? Doesn't it seem more efficient to be able to do, well - anything, using less tools (words, gestures) to do it? Also assuming efficiency is most desirable.

To be more efficient one must be able to communicate effectively and quickly. In order to communicate effectively and quickly one must understand how their audience receives the information they are communicating; subsequently, gesturing while speaking can be more efficient then speaking alone depending on who one is addressing.

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