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Any vst fx that can detect pitch accurately and pitch shift to key.

I'm talking about something simple and basic, say for instance I have a drum loop that most likely contains a mix of different pitches. Is there any simple fx that will tell me what the dominant key of the loop is or what key its close to and allow me to quickly pitch shift it to the correct key?
I'm not talking autotune type stuff (I don't have autotune nor want to get it), I'm stalking smaller, simple, something that works fairly well.

I'm also considering it for invidividual samples. Say I have a mid hat dominate on G and a closed hat dominant on E, and want them both on E, whats the quickest cleanest way of going about this?

Right now I'm playing around with direct waves define pitch root, but it doesn't work right. I need something I can put directly in my mixer that tells me what key a sound is in. Then an additional feature to quickly shift the sample on key. Would appreciate any recommendations you guys can give. And again I realize something like a hat changes pitch, I'm talking about something that can pick up the dominant or average pitch, and work like that. Thanks!

Edit: I should add if there are better ways of doing it please let me know I am open to what ever sounds the best, thanks.

You're using FL Studio, so I suggest you use Edison to detect varying pitch.

Percs like hihats don't have a pitch.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Percs like hihats don't have a pitch.

some do, the 909 ride does.

Re: Any vst fx that can detect pitch accurately and pitch shift to key.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I'm talking about something simple and basic, say for instance I have a drum loop that most likely contains a mix of different pitches. Is there any simple fx that will tell me what the dominant key of the loop is or what key its close to and allow me to quickly pitch shift it to the correct key? I'm not talking autotune type stuff (I don't have autotune nor want to get it), I'm stalking smaller, simple, something that works fairly well.

Forget it, not gonna happen. No plugin is gonna be able to do that.

melodyn can do it!

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Originally posted by mize melodyn can do it!

On clean isolated synths and vocals it works, on a good day. Drum loops and such not a chance.

But yeah Melodyne is the best program for these things.

Perc loops are going to be monophonic, so in that case you can use melodyne, autotune, or mixed in key. I'd use mixed in key.

Even better, if your just looking to pitch perc samples right, I'd use my ear because the programs will get it wrong.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Perc loops are going to be monophonic, so in that case you can use melodyne, autotune, or mixed in key. I'd use mixed in key. Even better, if your just looking to pitch perc samples right, I'd use my ear because the programs will get it wrong.

Yeh thats why I need a program because even though I can tell when something is off pitch, for some reason I'll adjust the knob and think "that sounds closer to the key" but then I'll adjust it further and think "well that sounds closer to key too". And even though it always sounds better, I'm never confident enough to realize when its right, or IF its right. I can't assume just because it sounds better that I'm even close to the right key, I just don't trust ears like that. For some reason my hats always sound off the pitch of my basslines, like they don't belong. The most I've been able to do is manually adjust so it sounds better, but I want some way of verifying how off I am.

And who said hihats don't have pitch? Thats complete bs if you move the pitch knob listen to the pitch of the hats change. It might not have a constant pitch but it def has a dominant, initial, or avg pitch.

If a hat is hitting on c and ending on a lower note and my bass line is on f, I think moving the hat so it at least INITIALLY hits on the same key of the bass would make sense. I need to learn how to do this so I'll try edison first then see how it sounds and if it doesn't sound like its working I'll try mixed in key.

And subtle: I know for a fact there is already an fx plugin that will instantly tell you what key whatever sound going through the channel is in, it just doesn't allow you to change the pitch to key. I remember using it years ago it was a free plugin (I think) and it worked fine for finding pitch, but I don't remember what it was called, and it doesn't do what I really need is pitch the sound perfectly on key. If we already have an fx plugin that can detect pitch why can't we have one that tells you when you've adjusted the sound to key?

Doesn't make sense. I'll play around with edison and see if I can get it done there, thanks.

instead of typing this really long posts you should really just learn to trust your ears, rest comes with experience.

By making this perfectly tuned drums you really de-humanize your music. there is absolutely no need to sterilize music to a point where its so transparent and so perfect that it actually becomes boring and fatiguing to ears.

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Originally posted by rulzz instead of typing this really long posts you should really just learn to trust your ears, rest comes with experience. By making this perfectly tuned drums you really de-humanize your music. there is absolutely no need to sterilize music to a point where its so transparent and so perfect that it actually becomes boring and fatiguing to ears.

You're speaking in the context of a professional which I am not.

I'm not looking to have every single sound in my mix on the same exact key perfectly, but a lot of times when I throw my drum loop over my bass line the entire track falls apart because now it sounds like the key from the bass is playing, and a mix of keys from the drum loop is playing which sounds like shit. I need to at least get PART of my drum loops sounding closer to key I realize they don't need to be perfect. But for sounds like toms, and other percussion, they have very OBVIOUS pitches that NEED to be delt with.

What am I gonna do just mix an F bassline with a g sharp tom and call it quits? Thats gonna sound like shit. I don't need to know everything, but I don't even know how to properly pitch a tom or a donk and other percussion like rim shots and snares. These drums imo SHOULD not be off key. How awful would a snare rolling in the A key sound when your bass is in C, your leads are C dominant, and your pads are C dominant. That snare line is going to stick out like a sore thumb. And theres too many ways to help a track not sound sterile besides pitch, like groove for one. I've never learned this skill and I need to learn it and the last thing I need to hear is that I don't need to learn it.

Some sounds I would LOVE to add to a mix but I can't because the key is off and I have no idea how to fix it. I need more dependable ways of resolving this issue then "just using my ears". I'd love to see one person in here listen to a tom sample and tell me what pitch its in, its impossible. But software can obviously do it, I was just curious what different methods people were using to absolve this and what methods sounded least synthetic or artificial. But I guess that depends on how close to key the sample already is.
Whatever the case I'm sure I'll figure it out on my own, like I always do.
Thanks though to those who tried.

why do you use drum loops to begin with ? pitch shifting loops will distort and will reduce quality so in race for keying in your sounds you get source sound degradation.. (unless of course it is your intention)

drum programming is a skill every producer should have IMO, using drum loops to build tracks is like using lego bricks to paint a portrait. I'm not saying that occasional filtered/modified loop is wrong but trying to key-in drum loops or better yet individual hits of a loop is well ummmmm retarded.

i would strongly advise you to practice just creating drum loops for a few weeks/months until you start to make some that you really really like

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Yeh thats why I need a program because even though I can tell when something is off pitch, for some reason I'll adjust the knob and think "that sounds closer to the key" but then I'll adjust it further and think "well that sounds closer to key too". And even though it always sounds better, I'm never confident enough to realize when its right, or IF its right. I can't assume just because it sounds better that I'm even close to the right key, I just don't trust ears like that. For some reason my hats always sound off the pitch of my basslines, like they don't belong. The most I've been able to do is manually adjust so it sounds better, but I want some way of verifying how off I am. And who said hihats don't have pitch? Thats complete bs if you move the pitch knob listen to the pitch of the hats change. It might not have a constant pitch but it def has a dominant, initial, or avg pitch. If a hat is hitting on c and ending on a lower note and my bass line is on f, I think moving the hat so it at least INITIALLY hits on the same key of the bass would make sense. I need to learn how to do this so I'll try edison first then see how it sounds and if it doesn't sound like its working I'll try mixed in key. And subtle: I know for a fact there is already an fx plugin that will instantly tell you what key whatever sound going through the channel is in, it just doesn't allow you to change the pitch to key. I remember using it years ago it was a free plugin (I think) and it worked fine for finding pitch, but I don't remember what it was called, and it doesn't do what I really need is pitch the sound perfectly on key. If we already have an fx plugin that can detect pitch why can't we have one that tells you when you've adjusted the sound to key? Doesn't make sense. I'll play around with edison and see if I can get it done there, thanks.

Argh. Dude, if it sounds good it is good. The reason why you can get two notes to sound equally right is that they are probably both in the same scale. So they both ARE right. Your percs don't need to all sit on the same note, or the root note. Its preferable if they don't.

Aside from which, the results that mixed in key gives you will be faulty because most percussion has a changing, unfixed, or just plain unclear pitch.

Also, its worth noting that repitching completely destroys the quality of samples and its particularly bad with percs because even the best algorithms really smear the transients around. ANd the transients are the most important part of percs. If you value your attack you won't pitch shift at all.

And incidentally, I can very easily listen to a tom sample and tell you what pitch it is with the aid of a keyboard. lots of people could do the same without even a keyboard.

My knowledge of music theory consists of Theory 101, but I feel like you're overthinking this one Robby.

When you say you move the pitch knob and then it sounds better, and better etc, I think you might be forgetting that the drums are all being played on one note, and you're just changing that, probably to another note that is also in that key

C-C-C-C or whatever

it's not like a melody that's going up and down a scale.

so really (and anyone please correct me if i'm wrong) you have what, 8 notes that fall into a certain key, so any of those are going to work in the track no?

it's not like with a piano melody say in, i dunno G minor, if you had a note in there that was Ab and doesnt belong

I dont know of any vst for this but the best way would be to use your ear and tap the bassline note on the keyboard to check if its the right key or close to it. Then play both together and see how it sounds. This will also take next to no time to work out and help tune your ears for producing and doing such tasks.

If it doesnt seems to work try a different tom, but that should do it. Most the time though you shouldn't have to go to deeep into things such as hats and even percs, but im by no means saying you cant and its wrong, everyone produce's differently. But I think you loose the feel and can get lost in doing such tasks which may not be needed.

As for knowing the pitch by ear, I'm sure someone here I'm guessing who has been playing some kind of musical instrument for over a decade or more could come close or guess the pitch from a single sample hit. Thats not hard if trained its something you use as a musician and/or producer if you can.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Argh. Dude, if it sounds good it is good. The reason why you can get two notes to sound equally right is that they are probably both in the same scale. So they both ARE right. Your percs don't need to all sit on the same note, or the root note. Its preferable if they don't. Aside from which, the results that mixed in key gives you will be faulty because most percussion has a changing, unfixed, or just plain unclear pitch. Also, its worth noting that repitching completely destroys the quality of samples and its particularly bad with percs because even the best algorithms really smear the transients around. ANd the transients are the most important part of percs. If you value your attack you won't pitch shift at all. And incidentally, I can very easily listen to a tom sample and tell you what pitch it is with the aid of a keyboard. lots of people could do the same without even a keyboard.

So If I post a kick, tom, and simple bassline, with the tom off key you're saying you can hear the pitch of the tom and fix it? Would you mind trying? I'll provide the samples? I'll leave all the samples as wavs and I'd just like to see how you make a tom sound closer to the basses pitch, or just MORE RIGHT is what I really care about.

So many times I have a nice little kick bass line, I add a tom or perc and its like "wtf, that DOES NOT fit at all" and I have to assume its pitch reasons. I'll submit an example of what I mean..

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Originally posted by rulzz

I love it!

Examples would be good mate.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox So If I post a kick, tom, and simple bassline, with the tom off key you're saying you can hear the pitch of the tom and fix it? Would you mind trying? I'll provide the samples? I'll leave all the samples as wavs and I'd just like to see how you make a tom sound closer to the basses pitch, or just MORE RIGHT is what I really care about. So many times I have a nice little kick bass line, I add a tom or perc and its like "wtf, that DOES NOT fit at all" and I have to assume its pitch reasons. I'll submit an example of what I mean..

Post a tom sample and I'll tell you what note it is. You should be able to figure out where to transpose it from there. I'm not going through and repitching a whole drum loop for you and then reencoding it and reuploading it. Don't have that much time.

This is simple stuff though mate. You could do the same yourself, as could anyone on here.

If stuff isn't sounding right its less likely to be pitch than sample selection, volume, envelope etc. Look at the other recent thread here about percs.

Can�t you just adjust the one offending tom ? That is easy to with either a sampler or melodyne.

gtune vst, good luck.

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