well the state of Louisiana always told their residents to be prepared for hurricanes, but they never told them to be aware of oil spill fires.
Posted by leph555 on Apr-29-2010 19:38:
its not like we need the southern US for anything
Posted by pmoisse on Apr-29-2010 20:14:
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Originally posted by DjWhooCares
How does "drill baby drill " sound now!?!?
haha totally, though I haven't been seeing much commentary like this in the press lately
Posted by EddieZilker on Apr-29-2010 21:05:
I heard, from someone who apparently knows someone who escaped, that it was because the drill hit a pocket of natural gas that shot the shaft pressure up to 600,000 PSI, right before it exploded and likely vaporized all of the crew-men up there. The guy who escaped said that there are only four rigs in the world (five including that one) that are capable of drilling that deep and that, because of the depth, it's going to be close to impossible to put a cap on it.
He said it will basically be the worst man-made environmental disaster ever.
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Originally posted by DjWhooCares
How does "drill baby drill " sound now!?!?
These commercials used to pepper CNN. I haven't seen this bitch once, since the disaster. Talk about fucking epic failure.
Posted by yukii on Apr-29-2010 21:09:
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
what a fucking disgrace, makes me disgusted. Posted by Sushipunk on Apr-29-2010 21:28:
Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Apr-29-2010 21:43:
Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Apr-29-2010 22:01:
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A buddy on another forum posted this (he works for the oil industry in robotics, but was also a roughneck for a while):
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I've been posting on the oil spill over at DKos for days now. Bottom line: It's much worse than they say, has been for days, nothing will work stopping it for (my estimate) 7 months to a year.
One poster asked (he or she thought naively) why the seafloor equipment couldn't be fail-safe. Here's my answer:
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If it's naive, then it's the same naive question the top top tippity top experts are asking right now!
The BOP in place is supposed to be 100% fail-safe! I mean, NO FUCKING WAY it can fail! I'm serious about that -- or I was. That deep-subsea BOP itself cost more than most entire land-based drilling rigs.
And when I say fail-safe, what I mean is, well, how often do you hear about an elevator in a tall building plummeting all the way to the bottom? I suppose it happens, but because it's just about the scariest fucking thing anybody can think of, they have many levels of safeguards (mechanical, electrical, hydraulic, magic) to make sure it doesn't happen. When an elevator gets stuck, it's usually one of these safeguards engaging when it's not supposed to. They do that and that's fine. But they never don't engage when they're supposed to!
Same thing with a blowout a mile deep in the ocean. Scariest fucking thing, drilling-wise, we can think of. The first step listed in "What To Do If You Have An Uncontrolled Deep-Subsea Blowout" is:
1. Don't have a motherfucking uncontrolled deep-subsea blowout.
The second step is:
2. Really! Don't!
In order to seriously answer your question, I have to guess. My guess is that everything was somehow "pinned open". Sometimes, the manufacturers of BOPs and other equipment have ways you can defeat the automatic fail-safe portions of the contraption, for testing and repair and stuff. NONE of this should be available to the operator and NONE of it should be available once the unit is installed in the afformentioned mile-deep of goddam ocean.
None of that matters. What matters is that this deep-subsea BOP has failed. To me, and a lot of other knowledgable people who up until now were in favor of deep-sea exploration, this is a finality. This is THE game changer. No further advances in sub-dea technology will change my mind. Deep sub-sea is done. Over. No more! Fucking forget about it!
Not only do we not allow U.S. companies to do it, if Cuba or any other country tries to do it in waters that could potentially pollute our shorelines and wetlands, it's an act of war. We send a cruise missle and blow their rig out of the water before they can spud. So much for the argument that if we don't do it, somebody else will. Nobody does it. Ever.
I'm still in favor of shallower stuff. Say, less than 1000 ft. Certainly less than 500 ft.
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I also predicted the spill would get much worse and probably was already.
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Interestingly... and frighteningly, I just got an email from a buddy who's an actual expert with sub-sea stuff. My guess was that the blind rams had actuated, smashing the pipe, just not enough to form a perfect seal. I guessed this because the amount leaking is nowhere near what we saw when the rig was burning. He says he doesn't think so. He thinks all the rams and shears are WFO. He thinks the kinks in the pipe are the only thing choking the flow. If he's right about that (I now believe he is) then the flow will wash out those kinks and the flow will increase... by a lot. The metal the pipe is made of is soft and is not meant to be a control surface... not meant to be a washable area.
I think that 1000 BOPD leakage could easily become 3000 BOPD, fairly quickly. Maybe more. If those kinks in that soft pipe are the only thing holding it back, then not only will that happen, it must happen.
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And now... today... they're estimating 5000 BOPD!
Things are fucked up. This might put the nail in the coffin for deep sub-sea oil drilling, if only because if things go catastrophically wrong, you can't control the damage.
Posted by woscar on Apr-29-2010 22:02:
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Originally posted by yukii
what a fucking disgrace, makes me disgusted.
Posted by FuzzQi on Apr-29-2010 22:02:
The pics are epic though
Posted by woscar on Apr-29-2010 22:10:
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"Every asshole who ever chanted 'Drill baby drill' should have to report to the Gulf coast today for cleanup duty."
- Bill Maher
Posted by EddieZilker on Apr-29-2010 22:17:
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
[/QUOTE]Posted by Marcus Summers on Apr-29-2010 22:18:
Fish need a little oil to appeal to my taste, anyway.
Posted by EddieZilker on Apr-29-2010 22:23:
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Originally posted by Marcus Summers
Fish need a little oil to appeal to my taste, anyway.
Why? Do you like the taste of liver-failure backing bile up into your esophagus or is it taking a giant shit where your intestines pile out of your sphincter that has your fancy?
Posted by tubularbills on Apr-29-2010 22:28:
this happened like 4 days ago. old news, imo
Posted by PivotTechno on Apr-29-2010 22:33:
It's still happening (and will continue to happen for some time), therefore it's current news.
Posted by tubularbills on Apr-29-2010 22:35:
meh
Posted by yukii on Apr-29-2010 22:44:
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Originally posted by woscar
HAHA! so true!! i love bill maher. i saw him earlier this month Posted by WhooCares on Apr-29-2010 23:40:
i want to see that bitch palin's response to this disaster.
