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crossroads with daw...need advice

first off...i know this is a personal choice... but i have notived something that i would like fellow producers to shed there view on.

i have used reason cubase and ableton ..in that order as well... reason and ableton are amazing for getting ideas out on but personal they have not got the clarity of cubase. Why is cubase such a better qualty of sound?? and does logic have that clarity?? cau for me cubase falls short on automation mainly

many thanks

I'm using Ableton and Cubase right now. I like brainstorming in Abes and just generally stuffing around in there but once I've got an idea, it goes into Cubase. I just feel more comfortable in Cubase when it comes to mixdown and laying down the full track.

I'm also at a cross roads. I use reason but have tried, ableton, cubase and logic. I can understand what you say about the sound in cubase. Ableton is good, but moving onto logic. That is a great, I heard great things for years about it and its all true.

I wanted to wait until I was ready to move on and now that I am logic is the way. It sounds great, the stock devices and synths are superb, it really is a great program and is great to use. As for clarity, yes it does.

im at the same place, and have been for like two years now. im used to reason and i love it but i feel the sound is abit muddy. so im trying both ableton and logic. ableton seems very creative so far, while logic has some awesome included plugins and great sound. i think im just gonna keep up learning both at the same time even though it slows me down abit. my idea is to make cool loops in logic, import them as wav in ableton then do some liveplaying there, then export as wav again put it into logic for final mixdown. maybe. just to learn a little of both.

Have to agree on the sound of reason, it most definately has its lets call it "unique" sound when compared to other programs. Its one of the reasons I'm moving away from it, not entirely moving but eventually i may. Saying that I still love using it and its great to use.

Kids, DAWs don't have their own sound. Its been proven a thousand times.

What you might percieve as a program's sound will be entirely to do with its built in effects and instruments. So @ the OP, if you like the workflow of ableton, but don't like the sound, look to upgrading your VSTs.

For what its worth, logic has some of the best plugins out of the box around from what I hear.

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Of course in the case of reason that doesn't apply because its a closed system.

Although thats all true reason does sound different if you was to load say the same kick sample into reason, ableton, cubase & logic. Logic, ableton & cubase will sound the same but reason doesnt. reason definately does something different. Some people like it, but I myself do not.

About Reason, that was true in the old days but has been fixed a long time ago. Check the mixer modules, it has 2 settings if I recall correctly, an old setting (where it did alter the sound) and the normal setting where it is accurate.

I still notice a difference

But the facts show none.

i havent seen that option on the mixer???? maybe that could save me?

hes talking about this



compatible eq uses the old algorithm.

my god, can anyone really hear anything deference on that? isnt that just the eqs? i dont use the mixer eqs at all, i use the eq device on the instruments intead. atleast i havent heard any improvements in the sound since v2.5. record has another mixdown though, not sure its better. its somehow softer.

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Originally posted by Storyteller But the facts show none.

What facts are those? Are they on the propellerheads site? I can hear a difference and I'm sure the waveform would show the same.

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Originally posted by 19503 my god, can anyone really hear anything deference on that? isnt that just the eqs? i dont use the mixer eqs at all, i use the eq device on the instruments intead. atleast i havent heard any improvements in the sound since v2.5. record has another mixdown though, not sure its better. its somehow softer.

I have to agree, I've noticed the switch at the back and its always in the correct position when you start. I've noticed a slight difference in record with the new compressor, havent tested just with a straight up sample and no effects.

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Originally posted by music2dance2 What facts are those? Are they on the propellerheads site? I can hear a difference and I'm sure the waveform would show the same.

Comparisons done at the same time the problem with the mixer got solved (with the introduction of 2.5 I think - not sure). Maybe they messed up again. Who knows. I don't think that's likely though as the mixer problem caused quite a stir back in the day.

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Originally posted by Storyteller Comparisons done at the same time the problem with the mixer got solved (with the introduction of 2.5 I think - not sure). Maybe they messed up again. Who knows. I don't think that's likely though as the mixer problem caused quite a stir back in the day.

Ahh ok cool. It did indeed cause a stir, I think it still does haha.

I was watching the claude Von Stroke future music in the studio video's. He uses reason and also has some great video's on the propellerhead website.

In the future music video's he says that reason crunches down on the output. He explains that other software does this but reason has a particular way, which he said sounds great on bass and the hotter you run reason the better it can sound, although some might not recommend to do that.

He goes on to say that the reason it does this is there is a compressor in the hardware interface which obviously cannot be adjusted. That got me thinking, that makes sense because there is no doubt something is going on in reason.

I'm trying to find the video on you tube will post it up when I find it.

wow thanks alot :O)

thanks alot for feedback...very positive and very helpful

maximlee

Thats very weird that you mentioned a kick drum sample specifically.

After using Reason for 2 1/2 years, the FIRST thing I noticed different was when I loaded a kick drum into FL's Sampler for some reason it sounded NOTHING like reason.

I def agree something is different idk what specifically it is causing it, but it use to translate to mixes so well when I rendered too (the variance). It always seemed my reason tracks were lacking bass, or the bass was getting swallowed somewhere inside the computer, but once I switched to FL it seemed like all a sudden my tracks finally had kick drums.

In reason the kick drums never came through, and the entire low end in general usually sounded like shit. Now however, when I route Reason through FL I do not get that problem, so I'm not sure if its the mixer or what, but its not "all the same". No 2 things in life are ever the same no matter how hard people may try to make it that way.

robby dont blame the software for your inabilities.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Thats very weird that you mentioned a kick drum sample specifically. After using Reason for 2 1/2 years, the FIRST thing I noticed different was when I loaded a kick drum into FL's Sampler for some reason it sounded NOTHING like reason. I def agree something is different idk what specifically it is causing it, but it use to translate to mixes so well when I rendered too (the variance). It always seemed my reason tracks were lacking bass, or the bass was getting swallowed somewhere inside the computer, but once I switched to FL it seemed like all a sudden my tracks finally had kick drums. In reason the kick drums never came through, and the entire low end in general usually sounded like shit. Now however, when I route Reason through FL I do not get that problem, so I'm not sure if its the mixer or what, but its not "all the same". No 2 things in life are ever the same no matter how hard people may try to make it that way.

Thats it, you can hear a difference immediately. Agreed on the mixes also, that translates to them. I mentioned a kick because its something that is noticeable in change and simple to load into any program for playback when comparing.

And its not that its just a case of putting the volume up, its like certain frequencies have been alerted also.

I'm certain though even when you rewire the sound is the same because its going through the hardware interface. Thats something I've tested for myself. You can get a great sound from reason, but it involves alot more tweaking and finding your technique when compared to using other programs.

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